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    Username Post: Filipino Swords and Bolos        (Topic#96856)
    Donna
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    02-14-99 16:23.00 - Post#96856    



    Anyone out there have any Filipino Swords and Bolos in their collection, if so what do you have?

    Also I want to know where is a good source for getting Filipino weapons that are made in the Philippines. Anyone know of any?

    To date I own a Kris Sword and Dagger in a beautifully carved scabbord which I purchased from Shannon Lew but unfortunatly he is closing out his inventory on his Filipino weapons.

     


    Titan
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    02-14-99 18:32.00 - Post#96857    


        In response to Donna

    Donna, why the interest in Philippine-made cutlery?

    You might want to try Smoky Mountains at www.smkwknife.com and ask for a catalog. They have a broad selection of Philippine made swords.

    Or, if you want, contact me off-list. I might be able to help.

    [This message has been edited by Titan (edited 02-15-99).]

    "It is better to understand a little, than to misunderstand a lot." -- Anonymous




     
    Jim March
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    02-14-99 19:05.00 - Post#96858    


        In response to Titan

    Donna, the "ultimate" source of good quality replicas is supposed to be Kris Cutlery, at:
    http://www.invis.com/kriscutlery/

    JM

     
    Smoke
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    02-14-99 19:27.00 - Post#96859    


        In response to Jim March

    Kris Cutlery is good but the outfit has changed a bit.

    Donna, talk to me offline about Kris Cutlery.

    Peace,
    smoke




     
    Donna
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    02-15-99 03:01.00 - Post#96860    


        In response to Smoke

    Titan, because of my love of the Filipino Martial Arts which I am currently a practicioner of and working toward an instructor's belt in. Which by the way guys when I do get that rank I will be the first woman to have achieved that title in the system that I am training in.

    One comment about Kris, I have heard that it is mostly replicas and that the imported stuff is from Indonesia. Also Smokey Mountain I believe is replicas. I did't see too much in one of their catalogues unless I missed one.

     
    dgwinn
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    02-15-99 13:08.00 - Post#96861    


        In response to Donna

    Way to go, Donna, let us know when you get it.

    I have a friend who instructs in Shorin Ryu karate, and my untrained self can usually take her down and lock an arm.

    From what I've heard around here and Bladeforums, I don't think I'd care to try that on you . . . .

    Also, I wonder if you could recommend someone who could help me find a good place to learn FMA in Illinois or Iowa. I graduate in a year, so I'll probably be moving after that, but I really want to try it.

    -------------------------
    All right, welcome to my "Kung Fu" academy!!!
    Why did you go like this? (quote marks)
    Because I'm not going to teach you little wussies "Kung Fu!" That's just what I told your parents so they'd send you here and I could teach you to KICK ASS!


     
    Donna
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    02-15-99 15:39.00 - Post#96862    


        In response to dgwinn

    dg,

    Thanks for the compliment, its nice, kind words like yours that make this place even more enjoyable for me to hang around.

    From the way you make it sound I have developed a reputation, too!

    I have no doubt that my big mouth will not be able to remain shut the day I get my instructor belt and I will no doubt devote a thread to just me. Seriously, it is a concern of mine that there are not enough women who are in the Filipino martial arts and from what I heard the ones in the past were not taken that seriously or groomed to become instructors. I have noticed that it really is male dominated and it goes to show you that for as many areas that women now occupy in this society there are still those areas that are male dominated. So I feel like a pioneer. Now I have noticed a few Filipino women but when you get to American women the numbers are real sparse. I know of Casilla Boggs and that is it. So it will be an achievement that I will be real proud of, not just for attaining the the instructor title but because of being a female who is achieving it. Not to mention that I will feel cool as s**t when I get it.

    The Filipino Martial Art Directory lists every known instructor here in the States, you are a bit out in the woods from instructors of our style but I will check into it. The directory is located at www.cecm.sfu.ca/~loki/FMA/

    Hope this helps.

     
    Titan
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    02-15-99 21:57.00 - Post#96863    


        In response to Donna

    Donna,

    So that's what FMA means -- I should be ashamed!

    Good luck on your belt...

    Jim March,

    You're right, kriscutlery has awesome Filipino blades! Those from Smoky seems toy-like compared to it...

    [This message has been edited by Titan (edited 02-16-99).]

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    Will Kwan
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    02-16-99 13:48.00 - Post#96864    


        In response to Titan

    Hi Donna,

    I don't know anything about Fiipino swords or Bolos but have an old magazine arcticle with pictures on Moro blades. The arcticle was in Guns and Ammo Action Series, Combat knives from 1989. If your are interest in it I'll look up which volume it is.

    Will

     
    Donna
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    02-16-99 13:53.00 - Post#96865    


        In response to Will Kwan

    Will,
    The article sounds real interesting and I would really enjoy seeing those photos but even if I knew the volume I don't have access to the magazine or its older issues. Thanks for the thought though.

     
    Phil Squire
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    02-16-99 14:14.00 - Post#96866    


        In response to Donna

    Relative to Donna Kali, I assumed FMA was Favorite Martial Art.

    Stay safe and all the best , Phil <----<



     
    Mick
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    02-16-99 23:56.00 - Post#96867    


        In response to Phil Squire

    Hi Donna,
    far as I know, Kris is from the Philippines. But even if not, their quality is highly recommanded at the Swordforum.com. These guys are discussing blades in the 10k bucks range and the like, but usually if somebody asks there for an entry level katana, they point them to Kris. Maybe you should ask over there as well.
    Greetings
    Michael
     
    Tony S
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    02-18-99 09:04.00 - Post#96868    


        In response to Mick

    Hi y'all! This is my first post here, and wouldn't you know, it's somewhat off-topic. Hope you guys don't mind... I thought about sending this in private e-mail, but thought this would be best.

    Donna, you wrote:

    "Seriously, it is a concern of mine that there are not enough women who are in the Filipino martial arts and from what I heard the ones in the past were not taken that seriously or groomed to become instructors. I have noticed that it really is male dominated and it goes to show you that for as many areas that women now occupy in this society there are still those areas that are male dominated."

    (I hope that quote comes out all right, this l'il' window really messed it up...)

    I'm writing from all the way up here from Finland. So perhaps the attitudes are a little different here (probably not, though...). Plus the FMA's aren't all that big here, I know of only three or four clubs in the whole country. And I've only trained in one of them. In other words, this is a very limited observation. However:

    Our club (or, to be more accurate, our FMA group), too, has a lack of female practitioners. This is not, however, because we would somehow drive them away. On the contrary, I've heard several people say it would be nice to get some women also to train. It just seems that most women don't like this art, or think it is useful for them. Remember, a lot of beginners looking for an art that would teach self-defense, dismiss the FMA's as "unpractical". "After all, who'd carry a stick with them all the time..." We do, however, have a few high-level female practicioners. I assure you, they are in no way put down. Everyone treats them in the same way, as another fellow FMA practitioner. (And as quite a few of us have noticed, the FMA's really are suitable for also women.) So, atleast in our club, we do encourage women to try our art! And our instructors take all of their students equally seriously. (Hey, they still let *me* train there in spite of my slow progress... )

    You also wrote of getting an instructors belt:

    "Not to mention that I will feel cool as s**t when I get it."

    I can imagine you will... Just hope that someday in the (distant...) future, I will also advance to that level.

    Sorry if I seemed longwinded. Train safely, Donna!

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    Tony S.

    Tony S.

    I may be getting older, but I refuse to grow up.



     
    Phil Squire
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    02-18-99 13:13.00 - Post#96869    


        In response to Tony S

    Donna,

    Are you looking for a "decorator" type kris display sword, or one made of materials and processes that ensure performance if it has to be used? Judging by your preference for high order cutlery (Maddog etc. I would guess the latter.)
    Marto,CAS Iberia,Vaciacraft,among other craft swords,some kris models(Howard Korn's Knifecenter has some www.knifecenter.com).
    Additionally, he has great info on a Filipino craftsman(Filomeno). Unfortunately, he advises he no longer sells them, but the link is still up,so check it out for info.

    So,it seems the spectrum is as broad as wallets are fat or thin. Cast zinc replicas to Don Fogg(or equivalent Custom maker) commissioned masterpieces etc. Good Luck.

    http://www.bakbakan.com/kris.htm

    http://www.leelarae.com/knifecenter/swords/vacia.html

    Stay safe and all the best, Phil <----<



     
    Donna
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    02-18-99 14:01.00 - Post#96870    


        In response to Phil Squire

    Phil,
    You are a wealth of information. You are the URL man. Thanks, I really appreciate this and I will check into those sites. I already checked into the ones you suggested to me on the Himalayan imports forum.

    Tony, Welcome and I hope that you will continue to post and I am happy to have another FMA practicioner among us. Thanks for letting me know about the status of women in the FMA's in Finland. It is good to hear that there are women out there training.
    Its funny that you would mention that about the stick because I posed that same question to my grandmaster and he gave me a great response. The angles of the stick are the same as knife and even open hands. So what you practice in one area actually helps you in the next. When I looked at it that way I didn't view my training as a stick fighting art. Although that is part of it.

     
    Phil Squire
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    02-18-99 14:11.00 - Post#96871    


        In response to Donna

    Donna,

    Glad to be of help. That's what we are all here for. Now, don't miss these two

    Evaluating A Replica Sword to Purchase, or
    "So You Want To Buy A Sword"
    http://www.thehaca.com/essays/newsword.htm

    http://www.thehaca.com/essays.htm

    The 2 sites above are at Hank Reinhardt's HACA website. He is a foremost expert on swords,sword sparring,etc. and his site is a goldmine.
    Stay safe and all the best, Phil <---<<

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    Smoke
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    02-18-99 19:04.00 - Post#96872    


        In response to Phil Squire

    Donna, I asked a bit about the bolos and krises. The wave rule counts mostly for the wavy kris. Cecil's stock is okay. Again, get the catalog, anything you really like call for.
    His wares are not light aluminum practice or Franklin Mint pieces. They cut and are well balanced. The market for Krises went up since the late 80's starting at $500 and up at some places whereas the late 70's had them at $200-$300.

    I agree w/ Phil about the HACA. Mr. Clements essays on Magellan and the Philippines and sword & dagger are excellent reading. Mr. Reinhardt is proficient as well. Not many can wield a Khukri as well as a foil.




     
    Jim March
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    02-18-99 19:42.00 - Post#96873    


        In response to Smoke

    Donna, something else to think about: if you know *exactly* what you want and you're willing to do a "finish it yourself" project, Alan Folts will grind just about anything in a range of steels. He'll get the balance right, too - and isn't stuffy enough to demand "fully finished goods sales only", although he can certainly do that.

    Note: I dunno what your budget is, so I mention this as an option. He's also expressed willingness to grind and heat-treat the blade, send it to you to do the laborious mess of polishing it (instructions provided if necessary) and when shiny, you send it back to have grips done. Since he's next to and partners with Scott Evans, sheathing it on that trip is a snap.

    $275 got me a 24" Katana-oid of unusual heft and steel. Another $40 heat-treated it (Ernie Mayer, because he specializes in ATS34). Fully finished in "battle grade" (versus "ultra pretty) this'll be worth well over $500, probably more, not that I intend to sell. Just got paid today, picking up the finishing materials this weekend. Prices on a simple high-carbon steel like 1084 or a tool steel that can take multiple re-heats like 01 or L6 might be cheaper.

    Anyways, it's an option. I suspect you're *well* into a level where you know exactly what you want...dunno about your "personal crafts" ability but...it's incentive to learn, you get to personalize the grip TO YOU if you do that, a possible plus.

    I just wish Kevin would sell slabs of his "mystery miracle grip/frequent flyer stuff"...sigh. Oh well.

    Jim March

     
    MM
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    02-21-99 11:29.00 - Post#96874    


        In response to Jim March

    I just got back from the Pasadena Knife Expo and I met a couple there who collect and sell Phillipine and Indonesian edged weapons. They had a large display there. Lots of krisses along with a number of parangs, bolos, and other stuff. They had alot of cool stuff. I'm no expert on these things but these weren't just replica wallhangers. I picked up their card. Their names are Dave and Lonna Schmiedt. You might want to give them a call. 209/464-0101.

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    Ciao

    MM

    MM
    "Praise be to the LORD my Rock, who trains my hands for war, my fingers for battle. " Psalm 144:1



     
    Donna
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    02-21-99 16:52.00 - Post#96875    


        In response to MM

    Thanks MM, that is a source I will check into!
     


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