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    Username Post: Titanium Knives        (Topic#96096)
    Steelwolf
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    08-22-99 18:54.00 - Post#96096    



    I understand from some other threads that titanium, as a knife material, is not so good as it does not hold an edge well. However there have been a number of knives made from titanium. How do these compare with similarly priced stainless steel blades?

    More specifically, I was looking at some of the titanium folders offered by Boker, such as the Orion and Infinity. The manufacturer claims that they behave like any good blade steel, in that they hold an edge well and are easy to sharpen. Is this true? Has anyone had any experience with either of these blades or any other titanium blades?

     


    Angela
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    08-23-99 05:41.00 - Post#96097    


        In response to Steelwolf

    Hi!

    Boker offer more knives with Titanium handle! All are a very good quality!

    )The Super Line,
    )the Stellar knife
    )the super Liner with damascus blade
    Ceramic Clear with titanium handle and ceramic blade
    )ceramic blue with titanium handle and ceramic blade
    )Delta with titanium handle and ceramic blade
    )Titan I with titanium handle and 420 steel blade
    )Titan II with titanium handle and 420 steel blade
    ) Titan III with titanium handle and 440C steel blade

    all knives are avaible

    Best regards,

    Angela
    www.knifeshop.com

     
    Steelwolf
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    08-23-99 14:56.00 - Post#96098    


        In response to Angela

    Angela: Thanks for your prompt reply, but please re-read my post. I'm looking for knives with titanium as a blade material, not handle, liner or bolster material. I know Boker and many others make many excellent blades using titanium, but not in the blade.

    Another blade that just came to my attention is the Titanium Tiger Neck Knife by Newt Livesay, and I'm checking that out. Anybody had experience with that one?

     
    MikeSchroeder
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    08-23-99 15:15.00 - Post#96099    


        In response to Steelwolf

    Benchmade used to offer the Emerson in Titanium blade. Look around, you just might find one if you're lucky.

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    David1967
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    08-23-99 22:30.00 - Post#96100    


        In response to MikeSchroeder

    Try http://www.petestacticalknives.com/cusfold.htm
    Warren Thomas folders. They are carbon fiber laminated titanium. I have no experience with them. I guess that "ordinary" people have no use for them - IMO.
    David
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    Chief
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    08-24-99 15:08.00 - Post#96101    


        In response to David1967

    Titanium is pretty useless as a blade material unless you just have to have a non magnetic material. Its too soft and thereby won't hold an edge, that's why Benchmade quit using it.
    v/r
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    General lobster
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    08-24-99 16:50.00 - Post#96102    


        In response to Chief

    Chief is right. Notice that titanium liners on folders will wear faster than the blade that they rub against. Even hardened ti will not hold a good edge.
     
    admpiett
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    08-24-99 17:42.00 - Post#96103    


        In response to General lobster

    Benchmade did make the 970ST, a Ti bladed CQC7. As a cutting tool it wasn't very good. Hard to give an edge and it lost that very easily, Ti has very poor wear resistance. Even with the tantalum carbide that was added to blade it didn't work well. It was really meant as a non-magnetic prying tool for use by a bomb squad with emergency cutting ability. If you still want a Ti bladed knife try www.missionknives.com they have fixed and folding knives. They claim their Ti blades are good but I have never seen one.
     
    Steelwolf
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    08-26-99 20:09.00 - Post#96104    


        In response to admpiett

    Just got an article on the Boker Orion. They claim to be able to harden their blades to 50HRC. Also went to the Mission Knife website. Found that most Mission Knives have a hardness of 44-46 HRC from the beta-Titanium alloy that they are using. Most knife makers I know of harden their blades to 57-60 HRC. Is 50HRC sufficient to hold a working edge?

    And what about the other makers? Do any of them claim certain hardness on their Ti blades?

     
    tom mayo
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    08-27-99 06:40.00 - Post#96105    


        In response to Steelwolf

    stellite 6k and 6bh (talonite) are both non magnetic....not nearly as lite as ti...but they will cut....and not bend....ti needs to have something else with it...in the middle to make it a real knife.....i will be glad to make you a knife out of ti...let me know as i have plenty.....is this a covert type thing....i like to make weapons....there are a few types of ti that can be heat treated.. but we might be able to afford them...like aluminum...there are quite a few differnt alloys of ti out there....

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    Walt Welch
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    08-30-99 06:41.00 - Post#96106    


        In response to tom mayo

    There are really only two reasons for wanting a Ti bladed knife.

    First, if weight is an overriding consideration, and every gram counts.

    Second, if you are playing with magnetically fuzed ordnance.

    If the answer is second, Talonite (r) and Stellite (r) are not acceptable. While a magnet will not stick to them, they are magnetic by virtue of being very strong generators of eddy currents in magnetic fields. Titanium will not generate eddy currents of significance, hence its' use in EOD. Hope this helps, Walt

     
    cacti
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    08-31-99 16:10.00 - Post#96107    


        In response to Walt Welch

    Couple of thing about Ti - depending on treatment and alloy used you can bring out a respectable edge, and it doesn't rust period, especially in a marine (sailing) enviro. My experience with the Mission MPF has been oustanding - keeps an edge quite well and extremely light - Hardly know you are carrying it. The entire folder, body, including clip and screws are made of Ti. This folder is excellent around salt water and island environments such as out on the cat harbor side of Catalina.

     
    Compact
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    09-02-99 11:32.00 - Post#96108    


        In response to cacti

    If memory serves me, the Benchmade website briefly mentions why they generally will not use Ti as a blade material for all but specialty uses. It resists corrosion well and will be available in an emergency. Not too great for edge retention or abrasion resistance.
    You may wish to look it up.
    Good site in general.

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    Steelwolf
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    09-06-99 21:15.00 - Post#96109    


        In response to Compact

    Thank you all for your input. I wonder if anyone can direct me to a website where I can find out the pricing of Mission knives?

    I figure I'll never be satisfied until I test out the blade for myself, so I guess I'm going to have to buy a Ti blade to try. Then I'll go on to the Talonite, followed by the dendritic cobalt, followed by the...

    Walt: If I read your reply correctly, does it mean that Stellite and Talonite will be detected as easily as a steel blade? It's not of overridding significance as I have a MD Mirage for totally non-magnetic work. However, because of the brittleness of ceramic, I can't use it in the normal way I use steel blades (ie prying) That's why I'm looking at Ti

     
    HJK
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    09-17-99 07:40.00 - Post#96110    


        In response to Steelwolf

    I recently took my BM Emerson 970st to the Arctic for a few weeks of kayaking and climbing. It was used mostly to cut rope and composite lines, and also various kitchen chores. A little light prying too. Very little wear, and no rust whatsoever. You can't use it like a steel knife, at least not for long, but for specialised uses it may not stay as sharp as a ceramic, but then again, it won't break if you drop it on a rock. Serrations help with the edge-holding problem, and the Emersion CQ is an absolutely brlliant design.
     
    Hunter Hsu
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    09-17-99 07:44.00 - Post#96111    


        In response to HJK

    As Chief told you, titanium is a soft metal, but I keep collecting "useful" titanium knives and any titanium stuff for years. I am a SCUBA diver, my first titanium knife is a diving knife of Scubapro ( A company manufactures diving gear ), it's really soft
    (That's more than 15 years ago), It seems has been discontinued, because no many divers like to spend a lot of money for a soft blade. Actually, almost all titanium stuff ( knives, tools, frames of glasses, watches…etc. ) are all titanium alloy, not pure titanium, because it is said titanium must be made as a alloy to make it be reasonably strong. I am wearing a Seiko perpetual calendar watch (www.seikousa.com), the bracelet and case are all titanium, it looks good and light. I also wear glasses (near sighted) with titanium frame, it is light, strong, resists to sweat and seawater, "friendly" to skin ( inert, don't induce allergy)- by the way, I am a dermatologist and my wife is an ophthalmologist. Oh, back to knives, in my experience, the best titanium knives so far I know and own are from Mission Knives & Tools (www.missionknives.com), I own one folder and one fix-blade , both for diving, since I am a sport diver, I just need to carry a pure rust-free knife when I dive, just in case of emergency- it does cut off the nylon ropes efficiently. My folder and fix-blade of Mission knives are beautiful and practical, the folder has 2 versions, one with long rod like opening studs, because it is easier for use when you wear gloves. Another versions are of ordinary round headed opening studs- they claim it is a civilian version, but I prefer the "military" version, because sometimes you need wearing gloves for scuba diving. My fix-blade is a "multiple purpose tactical" knives, it is so beautiful, and the sheath is so well made, you can carry it even for jump (sky dive). The Mission knives also makes other knives and a very good "Non Magnetic Sharpener", it is a diamond coated cone shape sharpener, very good too. The folder is completely made of titanium alloy, including the screws, so it is totally rust-free, you don't have to rinse it for one second after a sea water dive. As I know the best titanium knives are the Mission knives, the hardness is up to Rockwell C 45, for a titanium stuff, it is pretty "hard". The total titanium feature is for special purposes. For me, it is for maintenance-free, also for collection. Since it's soft, of course it's easily be re-sharpened. You may call me a titanium nut.

    Good Luck!
    Hunter( ufhunter@ms3.hinet.net)

    Hunter


     
    Walt Welch
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    09-21-99 07:58.00 - Post#96113    


        In response to Donald

    I got two Ti pry bars a while ago. One is a large 'J' type bar, and the other is a small 'spoon' type, about 1" by 14" long. I think that I got them from Smokey Mtn. Knife Works.

    There is a sticker on the pry bar which has the following info. on it:
    Material Specialties Scandanavia, Inc.
    (phone) (757) 424-7705.

    Hope this helps, Walt

     
    Donald
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    09-21-99 16:53.00 - Post#96112    


        In response to Hunter Hsu

    In scuba diving many have referred to the need for something to pry with, as much as the need to be able to cut away monofiliment. Since I do not yet have a Mission Titanium knife, but do have a cobalt for around the water, is there a smallish, flat, titanium pry bar that is available somewhere for a reasonable price.

    The cobalt is sharp, but not strong enough for prying. Besides it would be safer for the knife edge and the user to use a seperate prybar. I have not actually been diving for some time, but figure I can always use a small prybar that does not rust.

    I know I have seen a flat steel chisel type pry bar that could be used as a sharpening steel or splitting bone (Gerber??)

    Hunter, you seem to be a fellow titanium fan, do you have any ideas re a Ti prybar?

     
    DonL
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    09-22-99 01:19.00 - Post#96114    


        In response to Walt Welch

    Titanium crowbars are also available through U.S. Cavalry in a 21-1/2" length for $39.95 in the 1999 Summer catalog or at www.uscav.com .

    I would think, however, that given the amount of "stuff" carried or attached to BC's, the shorter bars mentioned by Wacko Welch would be more convenient and easier to wear or pack for scuba adventures than U.S. Cav's version, but I thought I would toss this one into the ring anyways.

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    Donald
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    09-23-99 16:19.00 - Post#96115    


        In response to DonL

    I have that very titanium crowbar from U.S. Cavalry in a 21-1/2" length

    It is very nice, although unless you want it for prying on a boat, it is probably a luxury. Of course in humid locations like Miami, FL, or in a basement, it is nice to have something that won't rust. I like it anyway and have found a reasonable amount of uses for it.

    I used it and a dead blow hammer to take apart a Little Tykes playset, so I could bring it inside, in preparation for Hurricane Floyd. As it turns out those persons north of Miami felt it worse, although if had hit we would have be devastated. I also put it in the only small enclosed space, a bathroom, in case we had to did our way out of the rubble...of course I was concerned it could have become a flying object.

    I also figured it could be used as a mini-digging bar when gardening, like a hand trowel or the Cold Steel Shovel. I have not been able to bring myself to use it for that yet, at least not much. If car camping with large tents it would be good for prying up those large stakes.

    I have seen it in one other catalog for the same price. I'll have to look into the one mentioned by Walt. I did not notice it in the latest Smoky Mountain Catalog, but I'll have to check.

    Some sort of metal supply shop might have a piece, even better a cheap scrap, that would work. I envision one of those flat (easier to carry, but less effective than a shaped bar) pieces of metal that serves as a hunter's sharpening steel, chisel for splitting a bone or something, and mini-prybar (for those who want to spare themselves heartache over their knife). The one I have seen swung out on a pivot from a leather sheath and was about 5 inches long (not counting the leather.)

    The titanium would be lighter and corrosion free for use around the water. ...but could it be used as a sharpening steel?? As I recall steels are supposed to be hard whereas a piece of titanium would be much softer.

    Thanks for the information.

     


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