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    Username Post: Antique/Civil War Knives?        (Topic#943269)
    Auron
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    12-15-16 07:40.24 - Post#2627902    



    Hey everybody,

    I've been recently getting into Antique Knives, particularly 1800s era "Bowies". "s are there because of how loosely that term was used back then.

    Is there a forum or section on here where there are people who know a lot about this era that might help me with some learning about them? I have a few that I'm unsure whether they are replicas or not, and I'd like to learn a bit more from people who've been in this trade for awhile =)

    I'll attach a picture of one for example


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    Mikael W
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    12-15-16 08:49.28 - Post#2627904    


        In response to Auron

    Welcome aboard!

    I'm no expert, but it looks like a Sheffield made in second half of the 19th century.


    Regards
    Mikael


     
    Berkley
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    12-15-16 12:52.31 - Post#2627908    


        In response to Mikael W

    Welcome to KnifeForums!
    Nice looking spear point Bowie. A closeup of the markings on the tang would be helpful.


     
    Auron
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    12-16-16 01:06.25 - Post#2627912    


        In response to Berkley



    Thanks guys! I'm glad I found this forum. I'm new to collecting, so I'm sure it will be a wealth of knowledge! Here is the mark.

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    Mikael W
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    12-16-16 02:18.16 - Post#2627914    


        In response to Auron

    Well, George Wostenholm & sons moved into the Washington Works plant in 1848.
    They were a mayor player, in the Bowie knife business.


    Regards
    Mikael


     
    Berkley
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    12-16-16 02:36.17 - Post#2627915    


        In response to Mikael W

    The Register of Trade Marks of the Cutlers Company of Sheffield shows that “& Son” was added to the G. Wostenholm trademark in 1868.
    Absence of “England” after Sheffield is an indication (though not conclusive) that the blade was marked before the enactment of the U.S. McKinley Tariff Act, i.e. before 1890.


     
    Auron
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    12-16-16 02:56.46 - Post#2627917    


        In response to Berkley

    Thanks Mikael and Berkley!

    That dating from the register is great info, my own research ended at 1848-75 ish range.

    I have a few American knives that I'm unsure of the stamps being real or replicated.

    Can I post them in this thread? Or should I start a new topic?
     
    Mikael W
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    12-16-16 02:59.37 - Post#2627918    


        In response to Auron

    It's ok with me if You post them in this thread.


    Regards
    Mikael


     
    Auron
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    12-16-16 03:33.11 - Post#2627919    


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    The fourth one is "Tiffany Co." a little hard to make out due to the rust

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    Mikael W
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    12-16-16 04:08.30 - Post#2627920    


        In response to Auron

    Boyle & Gamble needs an expert to tell the difference between fakes or original, but there are Youtube videos on the subject.

    My gutfeeling is these are fakes.


    Regards
    Mikael


     
    Auron
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    12-16-16 04:24.22 - Post#2627921    


        In response to Mikael W

    Yeah that's what I'm leaning towards, they were just well done. the overall quality and aging is great...but these just stood suspect to me.

    But, I don't want to accidentally right one off as fake, and it be real! x(
     
    antonio_luiz
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    12-16-16 10:20.10 - Post#2627928    


        In response to Auron

    Not 100% but whenever you see uneven and misaligned tang stamps these are a pretty good reason to suspect that an item has been altered
    I'm paranoid only cause everyone's out to get me!


     
    Auron
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    12-19-16 01:17.25 - Post#2627963    


        In response to antonio_luiz

    Thanks for your input,
    That's what made me suspicious. Normally the legit ones I see have very well done/fine stamps...these almost look like they were done letter by letter.

     
    Auron
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    12-23-16 08:22.59 - Post#2628030    


        In response to Auron

    Were there any known manufacturers that did reproduction/replica/fake weapons? Or is there any way to find out who made these by chance?
     
    Berkley
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    12-23-16 09:59.11 - Post#2628035    


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    Sheffield knife maker Fred James was one of the few whose identity was known.
    Most makers of fake Bowies, like the makers of fake Rembrandts and fake Stradivarii, are at some pains to conceal their true identities. They are, after all, involved in what is essentially a criminal enterprise.




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    Auron
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    12-28-16 09:12.44 - Post#2628091    


        In response to Berkley

    Thanks, that's a great article!
     
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