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    Username Post: Mission SAR-Ti        (Topic#904480)
    greenbeetle
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    06-21-11 15:15.09 - Post#2352218    





    The 7" blade, kukri style, limited production SAR-Ti knife is now available.

    Aluminum or G-10 handles available.

    1/4" tang.

    Only 45 made, all numbered.

    Weight is 10.8oz with G-10.



    Mission dealers will have them for $599 and up.






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    tonijedi
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    06-21-11 20:36.38 - Post#2352253    


        In response to greenbeetle

    Would love to try it, but at that price tag and limited production

    I wanna see pictures of it in the wilderness!
     
    greenbeetle
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    06-25-11 10:45.28 - Post#2353770    


        In response to tonijedi

    It's a unique knife. The design spans two generations at the company. The styling is awesome isn't it?

    With a titanium 1/4" tang it's a lifelong workhorse. A super durable A2 steel version may follow soon.


     
    tonijedi
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    06-25-11 23:33.43 - Post#2353925    


        In response to greenbeetle

    • greenbeetle Said:
    It's a unique knife. The design spans two generations at the company. The styling is awesome isn't it?

    With a titanium 1/4" tang it's a lifelong workhorse. A super durable A2 steel version may follow soon.





    A2 seems a very good choice for a knife like this!
    Would love to see some of your smaller knives in a good stainless steel...
     
    MikeStewart
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    06-26-11 02:55.21 - Post#2353979    


        In response to tonijedi

    • tonijedi Said:
    • greenbeetle Said:
    It's a unique knife. The design spans two generations at the company. The styling is awesome isn't it?

    With a titanium 1/4" tang it's a lifelong workhorse. A super durable A2 steel version may follow soon.





    A2 seems a very good choice for a knife like this!
    Would love to see some of your smaller knives in a good stainless steel...




    What is a good Stainless ?
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    tonijedi
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    06-26-11 03:27.54 - Post#2354004    


        In response to MikeStewart

    I'm not going to engage in those "better steel" discussions, but from what I know and use, VG-10, S30V are excellent all-around steels.
    Sure "steel snobs" are always searching for something better, which is great, but this (now common) steels with a proper heat treatment are excellent.
     
    MikeStewart
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    06-26-11 05:58.04 - Post#2354039    


        In response to tonijedi

    The VG-10 is out of the question because it is only sold to Japanese makers. Mission is an American Company.

    S30V would not be a choice I would make but the New crucible Replacement for it would be.

    CPMS35VN has all the edge holding of S30V but is Tougher and does not have the edge chipping issues of S30V.

    Another one that would be a solid choice would be CPM154. It has a little less edge holding than the other two but is even tougher for harder use.



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    tonijedi
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    06-27-11 01:40.31 - Post#2354310    


        In response to MikeStewart

    I know VG-10 is Japan made and except for some kitchen knives made for IKEA all the VG-10 knives are made in Japan. I just used it as an example.

    A couple of months ago I read S35VN's Data Sheet and as far I could understand it should perform the same as S30V but me easier to work with.

    Personally I don't like much 154CM, it's often compared with VG-10 but I prefer this last by far.

    I'm not an industrial knife maker, I just had that wish that some of Mission's knives would come up in some good stainless steel. Recently me and some friends of the bushcraft forum community here in Portugal ordered some "semi-custom" knives to the forum (industrial made according to our specifications/design). Some are in some good stainless steel, but if you ask me I don't know its name, it's some European made steel. I know it good because I used it and I sharpened it and it's good. I own knives made of metals ranging from 46HRC to 64HRC and none has let me down ever.
    I'm sure Mission can make a research and decide which steel is good for them to work with, as many variables are involved...
     
    MikeStewart
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    06-27-11 01:46.58 - Post#2354314    


        In response to tonijedi

    CPM154 and 154CM are not the Same Steel.

    The CPM version is finer Grained and has it's carbides more evenly disbursed in the Blade making it hold it's edge longer and making it tougher than the 154CM.

    I agree that there are a good number of Stainless Steels out there right now and Mission is in a position to choose the right one.

    Mission also has a number of Friends in the Industry that would be more than willing to help.


    This new Model seems to have a lot going for it from a use standpoint.

    Recurve Blades cut very well.

    I would be interested in more folks reaction to the design.
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    RickSchultz
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    06-27-11 01:51.50 - Post#2354315    


        In response to tonijedi

    Anthony did a GREAT job fixing these up. If you saw what John had done to them, most knifemakers would throw them in the trash. Anthony re-machined the entire blank(s) and these are real NICE! I suggested to him to call them Survival And Rescue, not Search And Rescue since most Search And Rescues are much smaller, have seat belt cutters, etc.

    Reading between the lines of Mikes post, I think he is saying that a tougher stainless steel is preferred for a larger knife.

    Mike, is any of the old stuff still around - ATS-34? Or does the new stuff really outperform the old stuff to the point that ATS-34 (and equivalences) would be out of the question?

    Thanks,
     
    tonijedi
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    06-27-11 01:53.46 - Post#2354316    


        In response to MikeStewart

    Yes, my confusion on the 154 steel. I was talking about the non-powdered one, the 154CM. My bad.

    Love this blade, not sure about the handle and definitely dislike the price
     
    MikeStewart
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    06-27-11 03:37.43 - Post#2354352    


        In response to RickSchultz

    Rick ATS-34 and 154CM are actually the very same steel.

    The only Difference is where it is made.

    The 154CM is Crucible and the ATS is Hitachi's Copy of the 154CM.

    Yes- - The CPM154 is much tougher and in fact is the Toughest of the new powdered Metal Stainless Steels.

    For a knife of this size I strongly feel that toughness has to be a major consideration.

    The knife has a lot of leverage and I'm sure will be laterally stressed in use.

    The CPM154 will give that balance of edge holding - Rust Resistance and Edge holding.

    If it were a smaller knife I would vote for the CPMS35VN.

    If this project is a re-work - it really does look like Anthony did a great job.

    I would never have guessed it as a re-work or a re-issue.

    I'll bet these end up to be pretty collectable.



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    tonijedi
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    06-27-11 04:03.10 - Post#2354361    


        In response to MikeStewart

    • MikeStewart Said:
    If it were a smaller knife I would vote for the CPMS35VN.




    I'd love to have a MPU in S35VN (or similar PM stainless). Just love the design of that knife...
     
    RickSchultz
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    06-27-11 04:50.34 - Post#2354381    


        In response to tonijedi

    Thanks Mike,
    I will suggest the CPM154 to him.

    Anthony has about 6 or so marked PROTOTYPE by John and they are scarrrry looking. I mean scarrrry as in horrible machining. I wouldnt even want to sell one of the prototypes - they are that bad. If you saw what Anthony started out with and then look at the final product, you would say to yourself, man that guy knows his milling machines! There is nothing wrong with the re-machined blades.
     
    RickSchultz
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    06-27-11 04:59.22 - Post#2354383    


        In response to RickSchultz

    Hi Tonijedi - I designed the MPU off the CT3 (the G-10 epoxy glass knife). The CT1, CT2, CT3, CT4 were the first knives I made while I was starting Mission and the CT's even predate the MPK! The MPU, MPD, MPK, MPS, MPT and even the MPF folder have a lot of my design ideas and are all derived from the CT's.

    The CT3, CT4, MPU and MPD are my favorite knives as well!
     
    tonijedi
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    06-27-11 05:51.10 - Post#2354412    


        In response to RickSchultz

    Yesterday and last Saturday I went to dive after more than 6 months on land. MPD on the leg of course...
     
    RickSchultz
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    06-27-11 06:05.12 - Post#2354421    


        In response to tonijedi

    NICE
     
    greenbeetle
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    06-27-11 09:42.34 - Post#2354485    


        In response to MikeStewart

    • MikeStewart Said:


    I'll bet these end up to be pretty collectable.



    Mike



    We get several inquiries a day. It's an innovative blade for Mission and there are a lot of collectors out there. Its serialized tang further feeds the frenzy - "What numbers do you have available?"

    Everyone has their lucky number.
     
    greenbeetle
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    06-27-11 09:50.23 - Post#2354488    


        In response to MikeStewart

    • MikeStewart Said:


    Yes- - The CPM154 is much tougher and in fact is the Toughest of the new powdered Metal Stainless Steels.


    Mike




    Hey Mike,

    What are the material costs like for CPM, in general terms, compared to more traditional steels?
     
    MikeStewart
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    06-27-11 11:08.15 - Post#2354519    


        In response to greenbeetle

    CPM154 is about 3 times the Cost of A-2.

    S35VN is about 4 to 5 times the cost of A-2.

    These Costs are magnified a bit by the added grinding and finishing costs over the A-2 but.......

    They all pale in comparison to the cost of Titanium.

    That is the price King of all.

    All of this is a matter of perspective.

    My Customers who want the added performance or the added rust resistance seem to be more then willing to pay a premium for those steels.

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