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Post: Bradley knives - Alias Standard (Topic#864135)

Balto Sharp
Journeyman KnifeNut!

Loc: Maryland, USA
Reg: 10-28-07

11-06-09 20:22.44 - Post#1975640

I just ran across these on the net. Bradley knives - Alias Standard. This is a complete rip-off of the Sebenza, the materials are the same even the thumb stud is blue. The biggest difference seems to be the price tag! Are there any real big differences other then maker? I can't afford a Sebenza but this seems like this may fit the bill and I would not feel bad using it. What do you think?

antonio_luiz
Master Member KnifeNut!

Loc: Queensland, Australia
Reg: 07-23-08

11-06-09 21:18.35 - Post#1975664
In response to Balto Sharp

There was an almost identical post to this on BladeForums - dated 31 Oct. You might want to check that one out.

Bottom line - Bradley is good but it ain't a Sebenza

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marcinek
Master Member KnifeNut!

Loc: Chicago
Reg: 09-05-07

11-07-09 06:37.46 - Post#1975820
In response to Balto Sharp

Balto Sharp Said:

I just ran across these on the net. Bradley knives - Alias Standard. This is a complete rip-off of the Sebenza, the materials are the same even the thumb stud is blue. The biggest difference seems to be the price tag! Are there any real big differences other then maker? I can't afford a Sebenza but this seems like this may fit the bill and I would not feel bad using it. What do you think?

If you feel it is a "complete rip-off"...wjy would you "not feel bad" about using it?

You might as well go with a $24 Chinese ripoff...save yourself even more money.

(Whether or not I think the Braday is a ripoff is not my point.)

TheRaven
Master Member KnifeNut!

Loc: Long Island, NY
Reg: 10-16-06

11-07-09 08:35.38 - Post#1975889
In response to Balto Sharp

Balto Sharp Said:

This is a complete rip-off of the Sebenza, the materials are the same even the thumb stud is blue.

What materials is Bradley using now? S30V and titanium??? I bet I could find over a hundred knife companies that use those same materials. If that's what it takes to rip off the Sebenza, I guess tons of companies are just a rip off!

Actually, if you want to see a knife that really looks like a Sebenza, look at the Scott Cook Lochsa. Link: http://www.scottcookknives.com/loch... As I understand it, Scott Cook used to work for Chris Reeve. I imagine Scott Cook got the OK from Chris Reeve regarding the Lochsa design; in which case, the Lochsa is not really a rip off but more a copy or emulation.

I used to own a Bradley (Mayhem); I was surprized how nice of a knife it was. For what you're getting, the price is reasonable.

The big mistake I think Bradley Cutlery made was...

When Bradley first made the Alias, they chose to advertise it as just as good as a Sebenza at half the price. This choice of advertising was bad for a lot of reasons I won't get into.

However, I will say that the fact Bradley Cutlery chose to compare the Alias to the Sebenza goes to show--the people at Bradley think the Sebenza is a great product!

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Balto Sharp
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Loc: Maryland, USA
Reg: 10-28-07

11-07-09 08:38.25 - Post#1975893
In response to marcinek

marcinek Said:

Balto Sharp Said:

The only rip off I see is in the design. And no thanks on the Chinese $24 copy, I can't see my self using a nearly $500 sebenza the bradley on the other hand would be carried on a regular. But thanks for your input anyway! oh yeah are you always such a ball buster?

marcinek
Master Member KnifeNut!

Loc: Chicago
Reg: 09-05-07

11-07-09 08:51.24 - Post#1975903
In response to Balto Sharp

It just seems odd to me that someone would feel good about using any product they felt was a ripoff.

To each his own I guess!

Sargent 06
Master Member KnifeNut!

Reg: 05-22-08

11-07-09 09:17.09 - Post#1975916
In response to Balto Sharp

There is a huge difference between the two knives. The Sebbie has better everything and the price is actually some what justified. If you had both in your hand and price wasn't an issue I would bet that you would carry the Sebenza. It is hard to see or experience the details of a CRK from a photo. CRK invented the frame lock and others have followed. The Bradley is another over priced B-Made. Benchmade and CRK are my favorite folder companies. After years of new knives that come and go it seems that I always go back to the Sebbies. In the last month I've been carrying mine again. I traded my Bradley away two weeks after getting it. It is exactly half the knife of a CRK at half the price.

knifetinkerer
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Loc: The Mountain West, USA
Reg: 09-18-07

11-07-09 09:30.07 - Post#1975928
In response to Balto Sharp

It is very difficult to secure any rights in a knife design, because most design elements are so common. So clones abound.

That's the way it is in most industries, and it's perfectly OK.

Aside from registered trademark names, it seems that a novel locking mechanism is one of the few things a knifemaker can file a plausible patent on. But still, Benchmade has its Axis lock, and what is a SOG Arc-lock but a curved Axis lock?

I guess we could boycott SOG for "ripping off" the Axis lock (and I've actually heard somebody suggest this), but I think that SOG is in-bounds on this one.

The honorable thing for a maker to do is to acknowledge what he is cloning in his advertising copy. So they might say, "this is our take on the great classic Whatever Knife." Or "we were inspired Joe Superstar's knife design to make our own version of the Such-and-Such."

But there's a reason they can't do that, which is that those names are another maker's trademark, and you can't use them in your own advertising!

If I say "this is my Sebenza clone," I am infringing another maker's rights more surely than if I just clone his design and give it another name.

It might also give a plaintiff's attorney ammunition, should he decide to pursue the matter, if I openly acknowledge that I intentionally made a copy.

Especially if I market it that way.

I've noticed that Cold Steel is one of the most honest of the large companies in this regard. No matter what one might think of their bombastic videos and ad copy, they do tend acknowledge when they are knocking off another design. This makes it more like a reinterpretation or homage than a ripoff. They still don't seem able to say "this is our version of Brand X," but they make it clear enough.

Fair game, I think, and I wish all makers would acknowledge their debts to others.

BryFry
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Loc: Cedar Rapids, Iowa
Reg: 07-19-09

11-07-09 20:26.50 - Post#1976329
In response to Sargent 06

Sargent 06 Said:

There is a huge difference between the two knives. The Sebbie has better everything and the price is actually some what justified. The Bradley is another over priced B-Made. It is exactly half the knife of a CRK at half the price.

Better everything? ...I can't help but disagree. The Bradley looks better and uses the same materials, it is silky smooth, sturdy, good looking, comfortable, and well made. I think it's a great knife for half the price.

I know the Sebenza has higher tolerances, and is slightly sturdier. But that dosn't make the Bradley bad or over priced by any means.

Personally I think the Sebbie is quite boring, and uninspired looking. I think I'd rather have the Bradley even if they were the same price.

Yes I know the Seb is a VERY well made knife, but I wonder how many people get one just because it's kind of a status symbol. Just so they can say "yep I carry a $500 Sebenza" ...even though they may have never wanted one if there wasn't so much hype around it.

brian w edginton
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Loc: NSW, Australia
Reg: 11-30-99

11-07-09 20:46.47 - Post#1976338
In response to BryFry

Quote:

Yes I know the Seb is a VERY well made knife, but I wonder how many people get one just because it's kind of a status symbol. Just so they can say "yep I carry a $500 Sebenza" ...even though they may have never wanted one if there wasn't so much hype around it.

ME!
(puts hand up)

Traded it off.
No complaints. Just couldn't "love it".

brianWE
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