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    Username Post: vg10 vs aogami super steel        (Topic#802656)
    saladbar2000
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    09-08-07 00:06.30 - Post#1309681    



    I've been looking at some knives and was wondering what the pros and cons were of VG10 super steel and Aogami super steel. Is one better than the other?
     


    joe_c
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    09-08-07 00:32.58 - Post#1309690    


        In response to saladbar2000

    Ok I have knives made from both these steels. VG-10 is stainless and a very good one. It sharpens easily and hold the edge a fairly good time. Aogami Super Steel is carbon that will take a extremely sharp edge and holds it longer than any stainless can. It will stain and rust so it can't be left dirty or wet after use.

    For stainless I'm a big fan of VG-10. I also like a 10* to 15* edge angle per side on my VG10 knives.

    I do prefer my AS knives though and use a Takeda AS Cleaver for about 90% of my slicing and dicing of everything regardless. I also have a Takeda AS slicer that I use on protien, large melons and such. So as I said if you wash and dry after using it you won't have any problems. Now in the case of most AS knives they come with real tight bevels per side, in the 5* to 7* range. To me this is a bit of a draw back and I like to take mine out to about 10* or give it a 2* per side micro bevel. Once I started using either of these methods I've not had anymore micro chipping.

    Joe


     
    saladbar2000
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    09-08-07 01:15.44 - Post#1309711    


        In response to joe_c

    I've got the hiromoto HC3 gyuto right now and if it keeps working out for me, I might eventually upgrade to the AS. I just ordered the shun parring knife which is the VG10 steel so I can't wait to see what that is like. Eventually, we'll have to get a little bit of everything I think.
     
    joe_c
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    09-08-07 01:20.25 - Post#1309715    


        In response to saladbar2000

    Yes that happens to all of us eventually around here. I know I have way too many knives now myself.

    Joe


     
    saladbar2000
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    09-08-07 01:27.37 - Post#1309719    


        In response to joe_c

    I think maybe I'll have to wait until I'm working full time before I go on a mad crazy spending binge. I guess we'll see how long I last
     
    DwarvenChef
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    09-08-07 06:05.42 - Post#1309805    


        In response to saladbar2000

    I have one Shun parry, the AB Angle sheeps foot, that I believe is VG10 (ack!!! where did that rash come from???). I personally can't seem to keep it as sharp as I can my AS 150 petty. One day I may download that shun but it's on the home knife bar, for the family to abuse, along with the other SS knives...
    Hiromoto AS Addict

    "Thats not a stain you fool, it's Patina



     
    DwarvenChef
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    09-08-07 06:07.59 - Post#1309807    


        In response to saladbar2000

    • saladbar2000 Said:
    I think maybe I'll have to wait until I'm working full time before I go on a mad crazy spending binge. I guess we'll see how long I last


    Wait till the "Custom Bug" bites you in the butt
    Hiromoto AS Addict

    "Thats not a stain you fool, it's Patina



     
    joe_c
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    vg10 vs aogami super steel
    09-08-07 06:09.54 - Post#1309809    


        In response to DwarvenChef

    Nope you can't get VG-10 as sharp as AS you fool. DC you need to get that rash taken care off before you spread it to the rest of us.

    Joe




    Edited by joe_c on 09-08-07 06:10.31. Reason for edit: No reason given.
     
    Larrin
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    Re: vg10 vs aogami super steel
    09-08-07 07:56.43 - Post#1309882    


        In response to joe_c

    VG-10 and AS aren't really comparable. VG-10 is a stainless, of course, and has a much different carbide structure. VG-10 shouldn't have a whole lot of primary carbide though, so the edge stability should be better than 440C and ATS-34, possibly even CPM-154. VG-10 is tougher then Blue Super, especially since AS is at such a high hardness. With its small carbides, AS can hold a thin edge if you can baby it enough to prevent micro-chipping, but generally it's probably easier to give it a microbevel. VG-10, however needs to be a little thicker to be stable (hold initial sharpness at a thin, sharp edge).
     
    buzzard767
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    Re: vg10 vs aogami super steel
    09-08-07 11:21.21 - Post#1309978    


        In response to Larrin

    • Larrin Said:
    VG-10, however needs to be a little thicker to be stable (hold initial sharpness at a thin, sharp edge).



    Perhaps that explains why the Shun VG-10 factory edges are 16 degrees per side.

    Buzz
    Buzz



     


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