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Username Post: Winterbottom        (Topic#791926)
hey
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03-27-07 11:54.16 - Post#1191397    



What is winterbottom,and why is it called winterbottom?
Thanks Much

John
 


DavidKrauss
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03-27-07 12:09.20 - Post#1191408    


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Short answer, Mr.Samual Winterbottom set up a bone jigging company in Egg Harbor New Jersey 1889. The style is named after him just as Rogers bone is named after Rogers. The WB jigging is similar in effect as if someone pulled a 3 or 4 tanged rake through sand, long slightly curved jigging lines that run the length of the bone handle. I'm sure someone will post an example for you. Have fun.
David
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03-27-07 13:24.29 - Post#1191476    


    In response to DavidKrauss

David
Thankyou much for the info.

John
 
DavidKrauss
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03-29-07 15:02.35 - Post#1193173    


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You are welcome. The world of cutlery is always fascinating for me as there is always something new to learn. Glad to share the little bits I know. Have Fun.

David
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Bear_Claw_Chris_Lappe
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Winterbottom
03-31-07 09:31.03 - Post#1194484    


    In response to DavidKrauss

This is winterbottom jigging on this Delrin scaled Queen #49.

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Edited by Bear_Claw_Chris_Lappe on 03-31-07 09:31.35. Reason for edit: No reason given.
 
DavidKrauss
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04-01-07 01:30.37 - Post#1194874    


    In response to Bear_Claw_Chris_Lappe

Thanks Bear Claw. Pretty clear example of the style.
David
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Bear_Claw_Chris_Lappe
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04-01-07 10:17.23 - Post#1195146    


    In response to DavidKrauss

I gotta admit, that Forest Edge Winterbottom Jigged Delrin has grown on me since I got it!
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sunburst
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04-01-07 11:29.46 - Post#1195205    


    In response to Bear_Claw_Chris_Lappe

Here is a little bit more information on Winterbottom bone I had stashed back in the files. Hopefully its not too repetative or boring.

WINTERBOTTOM BONE

One of the distinctive features of many Queens is their "Winterbottom Bone" handles -- called by Queen, "genuine Frontier bonestag." Winterbottom bone was made in Egg Harbor,
New Jersey, at the eastern edge of the Pine Barrens.

"A thumbnail history would start somewhere about 1885 when Samuel
Winterbottom left Sheffield for Philadelphia, leaving his wife and
three children behind. Sam's first job was peddling window glass in
the streets and glazing windows. One of his fellow peddlers
[supposedly] was Henry Disston, who was selling saws from a
wheelbarrow. In later years they joined forces and made special
circular saws for cutting bone. Some time before 1890, Samuel
Winterbottom moved to Egg Harbor City, New Jersey, and sent for his
family.
"In 1890 he set up his first shop ... Winterbottom Carter. S.W. was
the craftsman, Carter the desk man (book keeping). As time passed,
Samuel's four sons entered the business: Harry, Jack, Ernest, and Fred
(born in the U.S.).
"When the U.S. entered World War I [April 1917], the factory began
making handles for knives and bayonets. Carter, being of Quaker
belief, would have nothing to do with war materials and left the
company. Up to this time, most of the work was done by hand. Orders
were so heavy the brothers designed and hand built machines that kept
125 men working six days a week. After the war, the brothers
continued to make handles from bone, wood, celluloid, and other
materials for almost everyone in the cutlery industry. ... Some of
our customers I can remember were Schatt & Morgan (before 1920),
Queen, Imperial, Camillus, Cattaraugus, and Ka-Bar. There were 10 or
12 more, but I can't think of them right now.

"The first [bone] stag of the [Winterbottom] type came to life
during this period. It was all done by hand, and I had many blisters
to prove it. Fred decided we had to have a machine to do this job.
As you know, every piece of real deer-horn stag is different. To make
a machine that would make different patterns was quite a chore.
"Finally it was made, and we thought we had the industry sewed up.
But some fellow smarter than we were bought up some knives [with our
handles], pulled off the handles, made molds, and cast [copies of] our
handles in plastic. This, combined with U.S. Department of
Agriculture restrictions on foreign bone, and with a Brazilian embargo
on rosewood, made things so expensive, that [our operation] could no
longer survive. In 1968 I sold the business to one of our customers,
who makes wood and plastic handles for their own use."
A biography of Samuel Winterbottom in the 1924 volume, South Jersey
-- A History, provides a little more accurate information on the early
history of the Winterbottom family and firm.
"John Winterbottom, Mr. Winterbottom's father, was born and died in
Sheffield, England, and was a bone-cutter by occupation, his trade
linking his name with the world famous cutlery manufacturers of that
city. The family had followed similar lines of activity in England
for 130 years. ...
"Samuel Winterbottom was born in 1857 ... and early in life became
employed as a bone-cutter and manufacturer of handles of all kinds for
knives, in association with his father."
According to this book, Samuel worked in the paper industry in
Philadelphia, Valley Forge, and Egg Harbor until 1891, when he set up
in the handle and novelty business. He started with one employee. A
year later he had four, and moved to a larger building.
By 1924 Samuel Winterbottom had 100 people on his company's
payroll. Amber and tortoiseshell handles were a specialty. His
eldest son, Harry, born in Sheffield in 1880, was then the firm's
business manager. His second son, John, born in 1885, was factory
superintendent. His third son, Ernest, born in 1886, and his
youngest, Frederick, born in New Jersey in 1898, were both factory
foremen.
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04-01-07 12:39.35 - Post#1195271    


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Thanks SUNBURST
Ask and yea shall receive!

John
 
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04-01-07 20:09.12 - Post#1195502    


    In response to sunburst

Thanks for the excellent history. Wouldn't it be neat to see what that "Winterbottom Machine" looked like?
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