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Username Post: Blazen vs. Tojiro Powdered Steel        (Topic#790922)
allumirati
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03-14-07 15:09.47 - Post#1180585    



From what I can see is that these two use the same steel, but the blazens look more finished than the tojiro but that don't really matter to me. The blazens are about fifty dollars more and I hear the balance and performance is good. What I want to know is how the balance and function of the tojiro's compare.

Also what is the difference in quality between AS steel and Powdered (I believe this is cowry x?).
 


CaptCaliber
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03-14-07 15:14.39 - Post#1180593    


    In response to allumirati

Cowry X is a high speed powdered tool steel, but it's not the same as the Ruysen or Tojiro...

From what I have been told, Ruysen makes them both and they are more or less the same knife. I have not held a Blazen, so I can neither confirm nor deny. I had a Tojiro PS gyuto, my fit and finish was fine, but the handle shape bothers some people, I thought it was fine...

Also note the Blazen includes a nice saya... What that is worth to you I'm not sure.
chad g

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CaptCaliber
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03-14-07 15:15.59 - Post#1180596    


    In response to CaptCaliber

Also, AS is a carbon steel, the tool steels you reference are stainless, but the hardness is comparable.
chad g

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allumirati
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03-14-07 15:35.58 - Post#1180615    


    In response to CaptCaliber

thanks for the info
 
kja
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03-14-07 15:46.12 - Post#1180627    


    In response to allumirati

i dont think there the same.. and i dont think ryusen makes tojiro knives.. but the blazen is either sg-2 or r-2 from what i gather right now. the tojiro is probly not one of those steels because there location is different and it would be weird to ship it that far.. but i dont know any of this for sure.(except that the tojiro is not made by ryusen)
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zerogee
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03-14-07 16:27.50 - Post#1180652    


    In response to kja

No, the Tojiro PS and Blazen are NOT "more or less the same knives", regardless of who actually makes the Tojiro PS line (and I think we can be reasonably confident that Tojiro makes them -- after all, they use advanced lamination construction in all their DP lines, and this is really no different) -- they use different cladding steel and different core powder steel, for a start.

"Powder steel" is only a steel manufacturing technique, not a particular type of steel -- the steel content can be anything they want to make it. You can take any existing steel and make a powder steel version of it -- and it arrives in sheets, just like any other steel.

They behave differently when sharpening, a definite indication that the core steel is different -- the Tojiro PS tends to hold onto a burr like a hungry pit bull holds onto a steak, while the Blazen sharpens more like a very hard blue super steel knife.

In my experience, the Blazens have a more refined edge geometry also. And yes, the Blazen sayas are very nice too.
 
Amadio
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03-14-07 19:05.14 - Post#1180720    


    In response to zerogee

Zerogee, summed it up perfectly.
"Someday I want to be rich. Some people get so rich they lose all respect for humanity.
That's how rich I want to be."

~Rita Rudner


 
jagstyle
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Blazen vs. Tojiro Powdered Steel
03-14-07 19:43.38 - Post#1180733    


    In response to Amadio

yup, great explanation by zerogee

I've got a Blazen and PS gyuto in the same size (240mm). The Blazen is awesome and the PS is pitiful in stock form. It suffers from lame geometry, brittle cling-on burr steel, uncomfortable spine, square handle, and so on. The only thing it has on Blazen is price. I'll go as far to say that I'd take a DP over a PS as they cut better, sharpen up nicer, and feel lighter in the hand. Unless you wish to make a project out of it, I wouldn't recommend the PS.
Eric


 


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