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    Username Post: PENNSYLVANIA KNIFE LAWS        (Topic#782875)
    wstwood
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    11-29-06 13:15.13 - Post#1094798    


        In response to Manodegat2

    • Manodegat2 Said:
    I sometimes think the laws are purposefully vague to allow maximum LEO discretion.


    Of course they are! The nanny state will teach you right from wrong AFTER you have transgressed.
    "When all other rights have been taken away, the right of rebellion is made perfect."

    Thomas Paine.


     


    cutlerylover
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    11-29-06 13:47.04 - Post#1094838    


        In response to wstwood

    I agree the laws are vague for a reason...

    I bet if we started a leter writting campaign to congress or our state senators and govenors we might be able to change knife laws? Nahhhhhh I don't think they would go for it...What do you think? We would have to have ALOT of use here participate in order for it to be noticed...
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    tstetz
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    11-30-06 12:24.27 - Post#1095446    


        In response to cutlerylover

    My fear on that was that if they take they time to "clarify" it that'll just mean it becomes more restrictive. Call me pesimistic but I can't see the legislature not cracking down more if they look into it just because they can.
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    cutlerylover
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    11-30-06 12:26.16 - Post#1095449    


        In response to tstetz

    Very true...I agree, if knife law changes it will probably change for the worse...for us knife people anyway...
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    wstwood
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    11-30-06 14:09.06 - Post#1095547    


        In response to cutlerylover

    It never seems to get better. There is no common sense left in the world!
    "When all other rights have been taken away, the right of rebellion is made perfect."

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    birdog4
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    11-30-06 14:27.39 - Post#1095576    


        In response to wstwood

    Any time I've inquired as to the law, it was stressed to me that concealed carry is the only real no-no. That's for anything larger than a pocket knife. Other than autos, anything of any blade length can be carried as long as its not concealed.
    In Pa, , you can walk down town just about anywhere with a shotgun/rifle on yer shoulder without having a problem. Theoretically that is. Other than banks or any guvmint building.
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    cutlerylover
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    11-30-06 16:12.12 - Post#1095652    


        In response to birdog4

    but then there is the question as to whats considered concealed? Is it NOT concealed as long as a pocket clip is showing? What knives without pocket clips? is it considered concealed if its in the bottom of ym pocket out of view? I don't like wearing a sheath for folders...I am sure the answers can varry depending on who you ask...
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    cutlerylover
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    11-30-06 16:13.31 - Post#1095653    


        In response to cutlerylover

    Oh, and what about balisongs in PA, I have heard they are ok to own but not carry? I have also heard it is ok to transport them within the state as long as your are a collector? but thats pronbably not true, lol, I would love to carry my balisong but I am affraid to take it out of the house although sometimes I do anyway but I am paranoid like a cop will stop me...
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    tstetz
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    12-01-06 00:12.07 - Post#1095784    


        In response to cutlerylover

    As an LEO I've never seen anyone charged for a "concealed knife". I'll admit it occasionally makes us nervous depending on the individual, but so would a screwdriver or anything else that could be used for a weapon in similar circumstances. There's no criminal charge for carrying a concealed knife of any size. It's simply not in the crimes code. The best someone could try and do is articulate it under the POW statute somehow and the case law isn't on their side in that. Case law hasn't upheld knife convictions generally.

    A lot likely depends on what you're carrying and where you're at too I'd guess. A fixed blade double edge or combat type knife would likely draw more attention than a folder or a smaller fixed blade utility pattern. I still think you'd be hard pressed to charge someone for it unless they were doing something else wrong though.

    Re: Balisongs

    No button, or spring loaded mechanism so the one hand opening aspect is moot. Nothing prohibits them in the least. Take a look at that 1979 case law you posted earlier again. It's been ruled on that a balisong is not covered by the POW statute according to that.

    I've found knives on guys I've arrested any number of times, as have guys at work. I've never once seen anyone charged for them and they're given back to them when they're released.

    The only caveat would be (and I know this sucks) if you get a cop who's overzealous about the issue or is reading more into the law than is there then you *might* run into problems. They'd likely get straightened out in the end but that doesn't make up for the aggravation to you. Fortunately those incidents don't seem to pop up too often, at least not around here.

    I have an auto I use at work sometimes. Even with a badge I won't carry it outside of work. Not worth the aggravation. I carry an AO or OH opener or a SAK usually. Very occasionally a fized blade (unless I'm hiking or camping them I always have a fixed blade).
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    cutlerylover
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    12-01-06 00:45.29 - Post#1095793    


        In response to tstetz

    Thank you tstetz for clearing that all up, I really appreciate it!
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