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Post: help with steak knives 4 restaurant (Topic#859356)

edredlee
Journeyman KnifeNut!

Loc: L'Etoile, Madison
Reg: 06-09-08

08-29-09 00:46.41 - Post#1924710

the restaurant where i am at is looking to get new steak knives finally and i need your help picking!

we are looking to buy 80 of them at around $11/each.

as far as i know, that leaves custom work and most well known brands out of the picture.

a classical design with stainless steel(never seen carbon but you never know) would be key.

of course any suggestion is welcomed as it would give me a chance to raise the bar to how much the restaurant would spend. i would like to know why you recommend such choices.

thanks in advance!

edlee

Rob Babcock
Master Member KnifeNut!

Reg: 12-22-07

08-29-09 04:37.28 - Post#1924730
In response to edredlee

Hmmm...even though I'm a knife guy, my first inclination is just to recommend the same Tramontinas many restaurants use. As you say, at $11 you aren't going to get anything exotic but that probably wouldn't be desirable, anyway. I'll go out on a limb and assume you'll be serving steaks on standard ceramic plates. I'll further imagine the knives will be gathered into bus tubs and dropped in with the regular silver, which will then be run thru the dish machine.

If my previous assumptions are basically valid, then getting higher-end cutlery will basically be a waste of time. That type of handling will ruin a good edge, and a really sharp one will be a real hazard to the dish staff.

If you have some program in mind to treat the knives more as cutlery than silverware, then I will suggest some other alternatives...

AFkitchenkniveguy
Master Member KnifeNut!

Loc: Colorado
Reg: 08-01-08

08-29-09 05:47.06 - Post#1924746
In response to Rob Babcock

What Rob said. +1

Jason

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Crazy Cutter
Master Member KnifeNut!

Loc: UK London
Reg: 03-06-09

08-29-09 06:15.08 - Post#1924761
In response to edredlee

I don't know whether it was someone on here or somewhere else I heard it recently but it was the best bit of advice I think I've ever heard regarding steak knives and it went something like this:

"As long as I can cut the steak faster than I can chew it; thats all I need in a steak knife"

I know that doesn't really answer your question very well but as the others have said cheap low end serrated knives are probably the way to go.

Jim
Jim

Idiotking
Master Member KnifeNut!

Loc: Wisconsin
Reg: 06-21-07

08-29-09 06:15.34 - Post#1924762
In response to AFkitchenkniveguy

Laguille makes an inexpensive all stainless steak knife. At least they did five years ago. They have the classic shape and give an upscale appearance. I don't recall the cost but I think it's in your ballpark.

They have held up well.

RIP Buster
February 13th 2000 - July 9th 2010

www.saltyskitchen.com

knifephyte
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Reg: 07-30-09

08-29-09 08:11.12 - Post#1924828
In response to Idiotking

interesting thread, would like to learn more about laguiole steak knives. found conflicting info about them, some say it is a generic arabic style steak knife associated with the french town of laguiole (now mass produced in china), while others say it is a bona fide brand with a bee trademark (made by traditional artisans in france).

either way, beautiful knives for not much money, certainly within your price range even for french made. wouldn't mind getting a personalized set for home use.

imho, they will be a little too dainty for a steakhouse, the ol tramontina will probably be a better fit.

edit: never mind, if your restaurant is call l'etoile, the laguiole will be a perfect fit.

Edited by knifephyte on 08-29-09 08:13.51. Reason for edit: No reason given.

knifephyte
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Reg: 07-30-09

08-29-09 10:11.36 - Post#1924893
In response to knifephyte

hate double posting, but my edit time ran out.

anyway, figured out the story of the laguiole steak knives. they are made in the style of the laguiole folding knives. however, instead of the village of laguiole, many are mass-produced in china and/or thiers, france and can be still called laguiole (since it is a style not a brand). designer artisan-made laguiole style steak knives are made by Forge de Laguiole but they are by no means the original, rather it is a newer revival company active only since the 1980s.

jean dubost is an older company making mass-produced stamped laguiole steak knives in thiers. probably your best bet if you are interested in the laguiole style (be crazy not to for a french restaurant).

similar story to sabatier.

Michael_D
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Loc: Poland/ England/ Austria
Reg: 04-23-04

08-29-09 12:34.35 - Post#1924956
In response to knifephyte

For that price range i would definitely go with Victorinox/ Forshner

Why:
- INOX steel is completely stainless ( I have several knives made of this steel and for 4 years I have not observed even the spot of rust. )
- INOX steel is so forgiving when it comes to abuse.
- Good quality
- Those models with serrated edge, cut like mini chainsaw

Polypropylene handles
5.1233 ~38$ for six knives
5.1333 ~34$ for six knives
6.7833 ~5$ for one knife

Wooden handles
40002 ~12$ for one knife

Michael

Edited by Michael_D on 08-29-09 12:35.07. Reason for edit: No reason given.

Idiotking
Master Member KnifeNut!

Loc: Wisconsin
Reg: 06-21-07

08-29-09 20:44.33 - Post#1925162
In response to knifephyte

knifephyte Said:

hate double posting, but my edit time ran out.

anyway, figured out the story of the laguiole steak knives. they are made in the style of the laguiole folding knives. however, instead of the village of laguiole, many are mass-produced in china and/or thiers, france and can be still called laguiole (since it is a style not a brand). designer artisan-made laguiole style steak knives are made by Forge de Laguiole but they are by no means the original, rather it is a newer revival company active only since the 1980s.

jean dubost is an older company making mass-produced stamped laguiole steak knives in thiers. probably your best bet if you are interested in the laguiole style (be crazy not to for a french restaurant).

similar story to sabatier.

Don't know the history just know I've been using them with good results since purchasing them. If you need I can post a photo.

P.S. I know L'Etoile, it's a serious restaurant.

RIP Buster
February 13th 2000 - July 9th 2010

www.saltyskitchen.com

Edited by Idiotking on 08-29-09 20:46.35. Reason for edit: No reason given.

ChrisBelgium
Master Member KnifeNut!

Reg: 06-17-07

08-30-09 02:12.35 - Post#1925223
In response to edredlee

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edredlee Said:

we are looking to buy 80 of them at around $11/each.

If I were you, for such a quantity of knives I would ask for a serious discount.
A very good buy would be the 120 mm knife at 16,56 from Messer Outlet in Germany(link at the bottom of this post). They are probably made by Solicut(?). I have a breadknife and a birdbeak from them. Nothing fancy but very effective. I would ask these guys for a nice price on the whole lot.
A propos Languiole; ther may be fakes made in China, but the real thing is a much appreciated knife in europe.

Laguiole steakknives in all flavours, sets and pricerange (there are 3 following webpages; look at the bottom of each page)!!
http://www.scharferladen.de/shop/fo...

Also look for steakmesser from other manufacturers on the same website; Güde, Solicut...13 cm knives

Best buy in Germany ;
130 mm 23,56€
http://www.messer-outlet.de/shop/Au...
120 mm 16,87€
http://www.messer-outlet.de/shop/Wu...

Chris

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