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04-22-09 05:28.51 - Post#1822354    

I've been meaning to do a thread on this for a while now......time hasn't permitted it recently. Figure I should at least get started on it or I'll never get around to it.

I'm a slipjoint fanatic. All kinds......I have my preferences but I don't just limit myself to certain makes, and my devotion to certain patterns has been expanded to the point that there are few I don't like in one way or another. And I am a avid collector, and particularly fond of American made Slips. But cost here has limited me in many ways as to what I can add to my collection........and as many of you know who have read any of my reviews I am a bargain shopper. I hunt Ebay like a hawk!

And this brings us to the subject of this thread......asian imports. At one time they were to be avoided, Chinese manufacturing was atrocious, and in some ways it still is. But there has been a influx of Chinese made slipjoints in the past few years that have seen a higher level of QC than ever before. Many of you also know that I am a fan, to a degree, of the Rough Rider line of slipjoints. Very inexpensive pocketknives that generally have a level of fit and finish beyond their small price tag. There have been some others recently that fall into this category as well. These knives are perfect for what they are......they are cheap users, and also a great inexpensive purchase for the beginner that allows one to get in hand a number of patterns to see what one likes before committing to a more expensive higher quality purchase of American or German manufacture.

I own many of these from different makers, and I have in recent weeks added several more of such knives to my collection and intend to do initial reviews of these knives on this thread as time allows in order to generate discussion, and to be a source of information for those looking at a inexpensive alternative be it for a newb to the world of slipjoints, for collecting, or for users looking for something of decent quality they can carry without fear of damaging or losing.

But before I begin I would like to state that while such knives that are discussed here are decent buys for the buck, they are in no way collectable pieces that will gain value like a Case or Queen piece. I personally collect knives for fun, not for monetary gain. I would also like to say, particularly to those who are new to slipjoints, that if you are wanting the absolute best these knives are not it. They are the best for the money, but top notch quality usually brings a top notch price......take these knives for what they are, bang for the buck!

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04-22-09 06:19.08 - Post#1822381    

I'm going to start this off with some new ones from Rough Rider on one of their newest patterns. Rough Rider has produced a Gunstock for quite a few years now based on the pattern from Case......most recently they have added a different Gunstock pattern more akin to the pattern used by Queen. A pattern I am fond of. These three above are of the newest addition to their line. One is in a new line of handle material from them as well.

I own alot of Rough Riders, and I find them to be the best asian import line of slipjoints out there. They ain't all perfect, but given their price they are made better than what one would think. These are no exception.

These new Gunstocks are 3 1/2" closed, have 440A stainless blades, brass liners and pins, nickle/silver bolsters and shields, stainless backsprings, and come in a number of different handle materials.

Individually these three are virtually identical in fit and finish........all three have clean even edges that are razor sharp, clean mirror polish on all metal surfaces (brush finish along the backsprings), and all blades sport half-stops and match-striker pulls. None of these have any perceivable blade play on any of the blades and the backsprings on all three rest flush with the blades opened or closed. Also, the backsprings on these are noticably heavy, even for a Rough Rider. Part of this is due to the half-stops. They walk and talk!







The fit is solid as well, virtually gap free throughout on all three..........



........click above thumbnails for larger views!

The Yellow Comp version is done in Smooth Yellow Delrin which has a lighter color than the like from Case. It also has a slight fade in some areas where it gets even lighter, the color is not consistant throughout the scales. It has a Badge shield and single grooved bolsters.

The second one is done in their excellent jigged Amber Bone. They have gotten much better over the years with their bone and this one is a good example of that.....the color and jigging are consistant on both scales, executed quite well. This one sports their bowtie shield and single groove bolsters. There is one noticable fault on this one, bolster fit on the non-shield side looking from the backsprings the bolster has a slight gap in fit to the liner.....small but it's there.

The last one is done in Rough Riders new line of "SynthStone", a synthetic form of Green Malachite done in a smooth polish. These sport a bar shield and fancy triple grooved worked bolsters and fileworked backsprings. Really nice overall but they have problems. So far it seems all of these have suffered from cracking. I got this one and another in this handle material as "seconds"......somewhere between manufacture and shipping most if not all of these have suffered cracking of the handle material. My particular Gunstock has a hairline crack running vertically through nearly the middle section of the backside scale, hard to see but in the right light is visable. Everyone I have come across on Ebay, other on-line stores, and through Knives Live TV and the Saturday Night Knife and Gun show all have been sold as seconds because of cracks in the handle material. These here would make excellent bases for modding......and at about $7-$8 bucks a piece you can get a bunch just for carry and not sweat it.

As I mentioned before Rough Rider uses 440A stainless in their blades.....they do a good heat treat on it and I have used it quite a bit. It's good stuff.

On to a little background here as far as Rough Rider is concerned. The brand Rough Rider is a joint venture by Blue Ridge Knives and Smoky Mountain Knife Works. It's not a company, just a brand. They are made in China, and from my understanding the manufacturer of these was originally set-up with help from Buck, as they are also the producers of the import slipjoint line from Buck Knives......hence the higher QC in these. They also produce other lines such as the Marble's Global Series, the new imported Indian Head knives, and the new Colt Slipjoint line as far as I know.

But anyway.....as to these particular RR's above, excellent solid slipjoints for the money. The cheapest cost me about $8.00 and the most expensive was $12.99. That's alot knife for the money.

More to come soon.

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04-22-09 07:01.24 - Post#1822393    

Next up is another Rough Rider, and one also from their "SynthStone" line. This one is their Medium Stockman pattern, round bolstered serpentine style very similar in design to the #47 pattern from Case. This particular pattern is 3 15/16" closed......most places that sell this pattern from Rough Rider list it either as 3 7/8" or 4" closed. I have 3 of these and they all measure in at 3 15/16".

This one has the 440A stainless blades with clean even edges that are hair-popping sharp and mirror polished, match-striker pulls, nickle/silver bolsters and shield, brass liners, and a nice mirror polish throughout the knife.



Like the other "SynthStone" Malachite versions this one sports the triple grooved worked bolsters and the fileworked backsprings, as well as the bar shield. Overall fit and finish is real good with zero blade play and near gap free fit throughout.....



But this one does have a few problems. As mentioned in my previous post these new "SynthStone" pieces were bought as seconds due to handle cracking and this one has a crack. Leading up from the top left corner of the shield is a small faint crack running from this corner straight up through the scale to the liner. Hard to see but it is there. No other cracks present.

Also, the backspring for the mainblade is a little light for this knife. Not lazy but lighter than I am used to on such a pattern. I have a couple others of this pattern, one in Green Smooth Bone and the other in Orange Smooth Bone, and one of these has some light springs and the other is stout. This Malachite one is fairly stout on the secondary blades but tension against the mainblade is a bit light.

But outside of that it is pretty solid. Blades open smoothly, as mentioned there is no blade play, and the backsprings rest flush with the blades opened or closed. Still not a bad piece for around $8.00 or so bucks.

Would make a good user or piece for later modding......and they are definitely conversation starters. I took these to work, along with a few others, to show a guy that is also into slips. Most of the guys I work with aren't into slips and prefer tacticals, but they wanted to know about this one and it's matching Gunstock. A good way to get people otherwise not interested in such knives.....interested!

Many more to come!

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04-22-09 12:21.46 - Post#1822594    

Tap

Good informative posts

Those Rough Riders sure look good and it is good to hear the steel is ok.

My only experience with china slips has been a set of three Remingtons someone gave me as a gift

They are a POS



Best regards, oldways

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04-22-09 13:00.03 - Post#1822619    

Those gunstocks look mighty tempting!
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04-22-09 13:59.26 - Post#1822675    

oldways,

Thanks! The steel in the RR's is good, about on par with Case's "Tru-Sharp" and the 420HC found in S&M's and Robeson's. Not super edge-holding but quite usable. The edges are ground a bit thinner on the RR's though.

chavez,

For the money you can get a few of them....SMKW's carries all three of the ones I have real cheap. Yellow Comp. version for $8.99, Amber Bone for $9.99, and the Malachite for $7.99! RR also has this pattern in their Rifleman series and their LongRifle series.

I got a bunch more slips I'll be posting about here in the coming days, from a number of different manufacturers.

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04-22-09 14:30.18 - Post#1822704    

You know, I am a big fan of the Chinese Buck knives. I know Buck is an American Company, but the imported knives are great. Built like tanks, blade steel the same as the US ones, and fit and finish MUCH better then the US Bucks. I had my Yeller handled Case CV medium Stockman with me today, and was checking out the Buck 371 and 373, and they really did put the Case to shame. I hate to admit it, but they were much better quality then the Case in just about all aspects except for blade snap. The Case is a bit..... snappier. Other then that, if someone wants a cheap import, you can't go wrong with a Buck.
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04-22-09 14:45.31 - Post#1822727    

Navajero316,

I haven't personally got any of the imported Buck's yet but I got to play with one the other day. Buddy of mine has one of the Trappers with the wood scales. Real nice slip. I can't say it was better than any of my Case Trappers but overall it was somewhat nicer than the best RR's I have.......fit and finish on it was damn good.

I'll be getting some of these to try out here soon.

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04-25-09 04:24.21 - Post#1824525    

Ok, here's another for your perusing pleasure, Colt Black Stag Bone Copperhead.

A quick little bit of history is in order here.....the Colt License, the very Colt of Firearms fame, was owned by United Cutlery for years and they had been producing knives under this license over in Germany, Taiwan, and China. They did do a few models from the Cobra line here in the USA as well. The original United Cutlery went under about 2 years or so ago and fairly recently Smoky Mountian Knife Works picked up the license, though I am not sure if any other parties were involved in this. Anyway, one of the first lines to come out under the new license was a line of slipjoints.

This line included genuine Stag and Black Stag Bone. These slips, from my understanding, are produced by the same people that make the Rough Riders......and it's easy to tell as all the patterns in these lines are identical to their RR counterparts.

The one I have is the Copperhead, and the pattern of Copperhead used is the same as comes from many German makers such as Bulldog, H&R, Boker, Henckels, etc. It's 3 3/4" in the closed position, it has 440A stainless blades, nickle/silver bolsters and shield, brass pins and liners, and stainless backsprings.

The blades have clean even edges and are hair-poppers right out of the box, finished in a nice mirror polish, and have match-striker pulls. Blades open smoothly with good walk and talk and are sans any lateral play.

Bolsters sport single grooves and are pinched at both ends, all are done in a flawless mirror polish and fitted perfectly to the liners and scales without gaps. The nickle/silver shield is engraved with Samuel Colt's signature, and done over in a gold wash and nicely polished. Scales are bone jigged in the fashion of natural Stag and dyed black, then polished. Some of the finer surface edges of the jigging have a slight greenish hue which overall gives the scales a very nice look.

Backsprings are stout but not nail-breakers, and remain flush in fit with the blades opened or closed. While the rest of the knife is mirror polished the back side is done over in a fine brush polish. But here is where one fault is found, albeit a minor one. Running between the seconday backspring and liner is a hairline gap that runs from the start of the backend bolster nearly all the way up. It's faint and doesn't affect anything, but it is there........



The knife came in a very nice display box, made of wood and covered in a faux-rayskin, and topped with bamboo trim. A foam cutout covered in a felt like material holds the knife inside, and the underside of the lid is covered in black satin and sports the COLT logo in gold.

Aside from the faint backspring gap there is one other blemish on this knife, not all that noticable unless you're anal like me and really look for such things......on the main long Clip blade's backside near the tip are a few surface imperfections that weren't totally removed during polishing. Likely machine marks of some sort from the blade stamping.

Outside of that the knife is overall very well made and very solid. Fit and finish is real good but not exceptional, but I own more expensive knives with worse. Add to that real bone scales, match-stiker pulls, fancy bolsters, and a sweet display box and it makes for a great value that costed a mere $18.99!

A nice series of slips that I personally will be getting more of!

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04-25-09 05:35.30 - Post#1824572    

Next up is a pair of Trappers made by a company that makes most people groan when they hear the name......Frost Cutlery.

Some of you are probably saying....."Tap, why would you waste your money? You of all people should know that nothing but stamped out cord-wood knives sold for $39.99 for 500 come from Frost Cutlery!"......well, hear me out on this because even these surprised me.

Some of you know of Frost Cutlery's "Steel Warrior" series, they have built a reputation similar to Rough Rider as surprisingly well made slips for the money. One of the few things from Frost Cutlery to be refered as such. Well, I got some Steel Warriors and I can tell you these two Trappers are better than them!

These two Trappers are from the new "Frost Family Series" and are built by the same maker overseas that does the Steel Warrior line. These knives even come with the same Rockwell Test sticker pointing out the Rc mark on the blades where the test was performed, just like the Steel Warriors. These two Trappers, aside from the color of the scales, are identical in every way so I am going to state the facts in more singular terms through this review as there is no F&F difference between the two.



These are fullsize Trappers with a closed length of 4 1/8", standard blade configure with a long Clip mainblade and a long Spey secondary. Blades are mirror polished 440A stainless. Bolsters are nickle/silver, stainless backsprings, with Brass liners and pins.

The blades have a flawless mirror polish on them, and the main Clip Blade has a banner-style laser etch done in Latin which I think reads in English "Great Family Institution" or some such.......my Latin is real rusty! The blades have nice even wide edge bevels that are scary ass sharp, these are the sharpest Chinese made knives I own. The edges on these are absolutely awesome. The blades also sport some relatively wide and deep nailpulls.....more so than what I am familiar with on other makes. I like them actually. There is no lateral play on any of the blades.

The nickle/silver bolsters are highly polished, are nicely rounded and sport single grooves and are fitted well, both to the liners and scales. Virtually seamless. The shields on these are done in the Frost Family Crest and are made of a grayish metal. The scales are smooth bone, one dyed in their Cancun Blue and the other Purple. The fit of the scales is perfect, and the pins are polished smooth and even to the scales to the point you can't feel them.....aside from the Shield, the scales to pins to bolsters feels like one solid piece.....very nice. The problem here is that on both Trappers, as can be seen from the pics, have scales that don't match very well. Each has one scale dark in color and the other light. Not book-ended well at all which is a shame because they are beautiful scales and nicely fitted.

While the rest of them is nicely mirror-polished the backspring area is done over in a brush polish. The backsprings sit perfectly flush with blades opened or closed, and they have decent walk and talk, though are a bit light in the tension. Not lazy just a bit lighter in snap than what I prefer. Fit here is good though on both there is a few small faint gaps where the fit wasn't quite seamless, but not bad at all compared to some others I own. A touch more QC here would of easily made these a seamless fit.

Of the fit and finish on these that really surprised me was the fit of the joint area where the spine of the blades meets the backsprings. It is very good on these. Virtually seamless, though not 100% perfect.....but you can't feel the transition betwen the two on any of the blades. This a F&F feature that I rarely find even on some of my most expensive American and German slips......very, very nice!





.....click on the thumbs for larger views!

These Trappers came in typical two piece boxes, but were also double wrapped in both acid-free paper and plastic sleeves, and came along with some real nice felt pullstring pouches.

The overall fit and finish on these is surprising, much better than most of my other imports, and better than some of my more expensive American and German pieces. At only $9.99 a piece their F&F is equal to knives costing 5 to 6 times as much. Matter of fact, if these didn't have Frost or China on them anywhere I am willing to bet any Case or Queen user would be happy to have these in their collection.....they are that good!

Very good buys here, for sure.

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04-25-09 07:15.04 - Post#1824617    

They look nice, but I am I confess a steel snob of sorts. 440A is something that I typically would avoid for myself, but they might be a good inexpensive gift for my son. Can you tell me more about the edge-holding? How does compare to other stainless...maybe Case, for example?
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04-25-09 09:49.03 - Post#1824707    

Chewy,

As far as the Frost's, I don't know as I have not used any of their slipjoints. In the case of the Rough Riders their 440A is on par with Case's "Tru-Sharp" stainless (420HC) in edge holding and ease of sharpening.

Matter of fact I have one of their knives with alot of miles on it, an older Deerslayer Clasp Knife, it has held up well. And it takes a wicked edge.

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04-29-09 10:33.37 - Post#1828085    

Wanted to add my 2 cents...

The China made BUCK Knives = A+++

I've collected for years & have 200+ pocket knives most in $60 range and up from there, but let me tell you that these China Buck knives cant be beat for the price...I've bought 3 in the last 2-wks alone and all three have been perfect! and my average costs was in the $15 range for each.

Wasn't to wild about the "Made in China" part at first, but Buck has made a believer out of me that a truly high quality knife could be made at such a low cost margin.

Keith


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04-29-09 13:18.10 - Post#1828218    

  • KDA Said:
Wanted to add my 2 cents...

The China made BUCK Knives = A+++

I've collected for years & have 200+ pocket knives most in $60 range and up from there, but let me tell you that these China Buck knives cant be beat for the price...I've bought 3 in the last 2-wks alone and all three have been perfect! and my average costs was in the $15 range for each.

Wasn't to wild about the "Made in China" part at first, but Buck has made a believer out of me that a truly high quality knife could be made at such a low cost margin.

Keith






I'm thinking about going to get one tomorrow. I'm torn between the Canoe or the medium stockman (373). I love the stockman pattern, but am thinking maybe get something different, as I have never had a Canoe pattern. Just not sure if I like the big spear point and the pen blade combo. But it is SUCH a pretty knife, that Buck Canoe. I'll see when I get there.

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04-29-09 14:20.23 - Post#1828275    

The day RR releases a carbon steel line is the day 100$ will vanish from my pocket. I can't understand why they don't already have one.
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04-30-09 01:45.32 - Post#1828571    

  • Navajero316 Said:
  • KDA Said:
Wanted to add my 2 cents...

The China made BUCK Knives = A+++

I've collected for years & have 200+ pocket knives most in $60 range and up from there, but let me tell you that these China Buck knives cant be beat for the price...I've bought 3 in the last 2-wks alone and all three have been perfect! and my average costs was in the $15 range for each.

Wasn't to wild about the "Made in China" part at first, but Buck has made a believer out of me that a truly high quality knife could be made at such a low cost margin.

Keith






I'm thinking about going to get one tomorrow. I'm torn between the Canoe or the medium stockman (373). I love the stockman pattern, but am thinking maybe get something different, as I have never had a Canoe pattern. Just not sure if I like the big spear point and the pen blade combo. But it is SUCH a pretty knife, that Buck Canoe. I'll see when I get there.




You can't go wrong with a Canoe. It is about all I carry, anymore.

What I like about the Canoe:

The "regular size" Canoe (about 3 5/8"" closed) is big enough to do "real work" without being "too big" to carry comfortably.

The Canoe's spear/pen blade combination is more than adequate for most jobs. This combination has been the "standard" blade configuration for "jack knives".

(Unless one spends a lot castrating "critters" or cutting rope I see no big advantages in using, say, a Stockman over a Canoe in terms of cutting efficiency. (Of course, a lot of rope got cut and herds of critters were "made to sing soprano" by old timers with their "jacks" and Barlows. too, and there is very little evidence to show that these gents felt in any way disadvantaged.)

The Canoe makes a minimal "pocket signature" for its size. Its up-turned bolsters cover the knives' blade tangs and prevent pocket wear, too.

IMO the Canoe is one of the more distinctive, yet attractive, patterns. It is also one of the most attention-grabbing. People who tend to be "ho-hum" about Stockmans and SAKs very often respond to a Canoe with, "What is that?", or "Is that a CANOE?", or just "Neat knife"!
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04-30-09 03:59.35 - Post#1828679    

  • John Schedel Said:
  • Navajero316 Said:
  • KDA Said:
Wanted to add my 2 cents...

The China made BUCK Knives = A+++

I've collected for years & have 200+ pocket knives most in $60 range and up from there, but let me tell you that these China Buck knives cant be beat for the price...I've bought 3 in the last 2-wks alone and all three have been perfect! and my average costs was in the $15 range for each.

Wasn't to wild about the "Made in China" part at first, but Buck has made a believer out of me that a truly high quality knife could be made at such a low cost margin.

Keith






I'm thinking about going to get one tomorrow. I'm torn between the Canoe or the medium stockman (373). I love the stockman pattern, but am thinking maybe get something different, as I have never had a Canoe pattern. Just not sure if I like the big spear point and the pen blade combo. But it is SUCH a pretty knife, that Buck Canoe. I'll see when I get there.




You can't go wrong with a Canoe. It is about all I carry, anymore.

What I like about the Canoe:

The "regular size" Canoe (about 3 5/8"" closed) is big enough to do "real work" without being "too big" to carry comfortably.

The Canoe's spear/pen blade combination is more than adequate for most jobs. This combination has been the "standard" blade configuration for "jack knives".

(Unless one spends a lot castrating "critters" or cutting rope I see no big advantages in using, say, a Stockman over a Canoe in terms of cutting efficiency. (Of course, a lot of rope got cut and herds of critters were "made to sing soprano" by old timers with their "jacks" and Barlows. too, and there is very little evidence to show that these gents felt in any way disadvantaged.)

The Canoe makes a minimal "pocket signature" for its size. Its up-turned bolsters cover the knives' blade tangs and prevent pocket wear, too.

IMO the Canoe is one of the more distinctive, yet attractive, patterns. It is also one of the most attention-grabbing. People who tend to be "ho-hum" about Stockmans and SAKs very often respond to a Canoe with, "What is that?", or "Is that a CANOE?", or just "Neat knife"!





Yeah, I know, a Canoe is a head turner, which I why I am hesitant to get one. In this day and age of knife frightened sheeple, I want a knife viewed as benign and harmless, and the stockman is usually viewed as that. "Oh, my grandfather used to carry one of those." It brings mental images of an old man sitting on a porch whittling rather then a vigilante killing zombies, you know? Not that a Canoe would be used to kill zombies, and not that my knife is in my hand all day long beinbg flaunted, but the less they notice my knife, since to many the stockman is the epitome of the simple, old school, non locking, and thus non threatening pocket knife, I am still leaning towards that pattern.
But DAMN those canoes are nice.

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04-30-09 06:42.52 - Post#1828789    

Well, I guess there are "head turners" and, then again. there are "head turners".

I teach at a small liberal arts college. (Places don't get any more "sheeple-rich" than a place like that!)

That having been said, I have never had any problems with my carrying and using a Canoe on campus. (And, this is in a place where, at least theoretically, there is a pretty stringent "weapons policy"...with "weapons" not being at all well defined.) Apparently, my bone- and wood-handled Canoes are viewed as being pretty benign pieces of equipment; not much, if any, more so than the SAKs that so many "otherwise sheeple-ish" types often have on their persons. To have people like the ones I work with say what I noted in a very positive way can only be described as remarkable.

I think, too, that you might be surprised about how many "sheeple" might already know what a Canoe is, or at least can come close. Among the common slipjoint patterns,I have found that your average person can accurately name SAKs and Scout Knives most of the time, Barlows quite often, and Canoes, fairly often, though sometimes Barlows and Canoes are confused. For some reason, very few "non-knife people" seem to be able to come up with "Stockman" except as a variation of the generic category "jack knives". None of these patterns elicit the "omygawd" reaction that lockback patterns tend to do; the dreaded "Buck Knives"!

So, while a Stockman would also be a good choice I would still have you consider a Canoe. I doubt very much that your "sheeple" would find it to be any more threatening than any other form of slip joint knife and, who knows? Your Canoe might look pretty much like "Grandpa's knife", too. At the very least. with the Canoe's flat "pocket signature", you might be less prone to such comments as, "Is that a large Stockman in your pocket or are you just glad to see me?"!

John Schedel

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04-30-09 10:32.04 - Post#1828984    

Ok, so I got one of the Red Wood Buck Stockman. The 373 imported Cadet model. I LOVE this thing. I handled the Canoe, and it didn't do it for me. It was nice enough, but too thin for my tastes. It's the same reason I gave up on the SAK Cadet. Too thin for some cutting chores I do. I need a handle that fills my hand, and the Canoe was a bit too thin. Other then that I really had nothing bad to say about it. Nice, solid knife. However, the 373 was just right. I like a knife to fill my hand, but not be too long, and the 371 was TOO big. The 373 is perfect for me. I love how well made these imported Bucks are. Fit and finish is almost perfect (the springs don't match up perfectly at one end, but it is extremely minor), walk and talk is just right, not too strong, not too lazy, metal is typical Buck steel, with great edge retention, better then CV, Tru-sharp, or SAK ss, and all in a small package. I think I am going to EDC this exclusively for a long time.
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04-30-09 16:18.08 - Post#1829296    

You sold me on the Rough Rider knives and I just ordered two from ebay...under $18 for both shipped. If they suck I'm hunting you down, LOL. One is a 2-blade abolone barlow and the other a orange bone lockback.

Other decent quality cheap knives are the new kissing crane and US Classic knives.

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05-01-09 13:02.13 - Post#1830472    

Challenger,

Well, I wouldn't have told you to pick one of their modern lockbacks or a Barlow in Abalone......I would of directed you towards something of their line I have experience with, but I will say their modern lockback designs are nice. I have handled a few and they were just as nice in build as my slips from them.

But OK......if they suck you can hunt me down!

And I agree, the new Kissing Cranes seem pretty nice. I got one of their new Jacks which I will be posting here soon and it is quite nice.

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05-02-09 02:33.11 - Post#1830862    

The Gunstock pattern has long been one of my favorites. I use to collect both production and custom versions. Sold many of them off....would like some of them back. Anyway, thanks for sharing the review of these, really like the yellow one.

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05-02-09 03:27.36 - Post#1830907    

Knifeologist,

You are welcome bud.

I got a few more here sitting on my desk that I will be reviewing soon hopefully, plus another nice one from Rough Rider that arrived just this week.

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05-03-09 04:32.28 - Post#1831627    

  • RoamingOne Said:
The day RR releases a carbon steel line is the day 100$ will vanish from my pocket. I can't understand why they don't already have one.




I am there with ya Brother. We should get us up a petition. I would be a big carbon steel RR fan.
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05-09-09 04:14.43 - Post#1836337    

Ok, got some time today so up next in my reviews is this here Fluted Amber Bone Jumbo Trapper from Marbles, a real good looking piece.

This one is from the Marbles Global Series which means it's an imported piece. They are manufactured by the same folks over in China that do the Rough Rider line. It's patterned off of the old Remington Bullet Trappers.

These Jumbo Trappers from Marbles are large at 4 1/2" closed and are quite hefty. These are barehead style similar to most. It has the typical long Clip style mainblade with long Spey secondary.......blades are 440A stainless with match-striker pulls. Bolsters and shield are nickle/silver with brass liners and pins. Backsprings are stainless and are stout, but not nail-breakers. The knife is mirror polished throughout.

The blades have clean edges, evenly ground and they are quite sharp. Match-striker pulls are deep and well executed and the mainblade sports the Marbles laser etch. The blades have squared up tangs half stopping the blades on openeing and closing. The bolsters are nicely contoured and are grooved, and the scales are fitted seamlessly to the liners and bolsters. The scales are bone and have a nice Amber color to them, and are flute jigged.

Initially the fit and finish is excellent including the fact the blades have no lateral play and the backsprings fit flush with the blades opened or closed. It all came together well up until you look at the backside. This kinda ticked me off as I have two older Marbles Global Series knives in their Sowbelly pattern which are real good overall and my bud Marv has two of these Jumbo Trappers from them, one in Green Stag Bone and one in Red Stag Bone......and his are seamless throughout.

But mine came with some gaps bewtween the backsprings near the barehead end.......

....click on thumb for larger view!

.......they ain't affecting anything but they are wider than a hairline! I was going to send this one back but it ain't worth the hassle for a knife that costed less than $20 bucks. This one is a fluke with gaps like this as I own dozens of knives made by these people and none have had gaps like this, and I've handled and inspected many more by them and none of those were like this. I chalk this one up to "Buyer Beware" and move on.

It came packaged in a large two-piece box, and stored in a nice padded and lined zipper pouch.

It's a solid piece of good construction, unfortunately I happened to get one of their "Friday" knives this time around, but it's more of a aesthetic fault than anything else. For the money it would make a great user.

But keep in mind with these imported pieces, while they can be of exceptional construction given their price......you are taking your chances with these by buying on-line and not getting to handle them before purchase.

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05-10-09 03:05.37 - Post#1836891    

This next one surprised me a bit as I have never owned a Kissing Crane before, though I've handled but a couple. The older German made ones were nice but now they are being made in China.....I had been curious to how well they are being made.

If this one is any example they are being made very well.

This is their Swayback Jack pattern. It is 3 3/4" closed, sports Stainless blades and backsprings, nickle/silver bolsters and shield, brass liners and pins, and the scales are Jigged Red Bone.

Fit and finish on this piece is very good. The blades are evenly ground and razor sharp, and they are done over in a clean brush finish. The bolsters are nicely rounded and grooved and are mirror polished. Backsprings are moderate in stoutness, not heavy but not light either and they fit perfectly flush with the blades opened or closed, and they are done in a brush finish as well. The scales have a unique jigging pattern with a nice red dye job and are fitted seamlessly.

Matter of fact, there isn't a gap anywhere to be found on this knife. Fit of everything is perfect.........



.........no blade play, no gaps, solid seamless fit throughout the knife. Whoever in China is building these is doing a damn fine job!

But I did find two small dings in the back of the knife along the backspring area. Two small machine marks I'm guessing, tiny nicks in the bone that cross over to the liners. Very small and there is one on either side of the knife. Nothing major at all, just small blemishes......but aside from that this thing is absolutely perfect!

The pattern is cool, I really like the design. The fit is great as is the finish.....it's got everything going for it, especially considering it costed around $16.00 or so. The only question remaining is how good the steel is.

I will definitely be getting more of these in the future.....and likely one one to add to my carry rotation.

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05-10-09 04:21.50 - Post#1836947    

Up next is my most recent Rough Rider purchase, this one is their Dogleg Whittler in genuine Stag.

I picked up three other Doglegs last year, real nice knives. Here's a link to those: RR Dogleg Whittlers. This one, like my others, is 4 inches in the closed position. Blades are 440A stainless with matchstriker pulls, stainless backsprings, nickle/silver bolsters and shield, and brass liners and pins.

Fit and finish is excellent. Blades are nicely polished with very sharp clean edges evenly ground, and they are sans any lateral play. Bolsters are nicely rounded and grooved and are mirror polished, the dual backsprings are brushed and tapered and are perfectly flush with blades opened or closed, and the Stag scales are fitted seamlessly with the brass pins flush to the scales.

And speaking of the scales, they are quite thick. Good sized chunks of stag on here.......just wish they matched up better. This is my only complaint with this knife.

The backsprings are a little light, not lazy, on the secondary Sheepsfoot and Spey blades and taper up to the master Clip blade which is stout here. Blades open smoothly, and in the rested closed position do not rub. The fit of the backsprings here is absolutely smooth and virtually seamless..........



..........overall an absolute bargain of Whittler given it's F&F and handle material, and the fact it costed mere pocket change at $8.56 on auction!!!!!

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05-10-09 13:22.35 - Post#1837192    

Nice to see a good review of the Kissing Crane! In fact, my next write up is a red bone KC trapper, got it in rotation right now, getting some use. They certainly are nice!

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05-11-09 10:58.06 - Post#1837769    

Ice,

Look forward to reading your review of it, particularly your thoughts on the steel in these and how it performs.

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05-29-09 08:12.03 - Post#1851264    

Dose Marbles make any Slip-Joints in the US
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05-29-09 09:22.34 - Post#1851312    

yud,

Marbles as a manufacturer doesn't but their have been fairly recent productions of MSA marked slips and other folders made here in the USA.....some made by Queen and Northwoods IIRC. Look here: M.S.A. Co. folders

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05-29-09 13:34.51 - Post#1851476    

Alrighty guys, I finally broke down and got myself one of them imported Buck slippies. And I must say that I should of waited, but as usual, I had little patience.

I went to my local Bass Pro and they had a bunch of these in the Canoe, Large Stockman, Small Stockman, Trapper, mini-Trapper, and the Solo. All were in the brown laminated wood but a few in the Large Stockman and mini-Trapper were done in the red laminated wood. I've never seen these in the red wood before and decided on getting one of the red wood ones, particularly in the Large Stockman. Problem was all of the Large Stockmans, both in the Brown and Red wood handles didn't look so good in backspring fit. I checked a bunch of the other patterns and most were pretty much seamless, especially the Large and Mini Trappers. But every single one of the Large Stockman's had gaps in one way or another. Luckily the best looking one in this regard was one of the red wood handled ones, and that's what I got......but it's backspring fit ain't all the good. I'll get into this in a bit.

Onto the knife itself.

It's a Buck 371 Large Stockman with a closed length of 3 7/8". This one is done in Red Laminated Wood. I just checked Bass Pro's website and apparently these Red ones are a exclusive for them.

Blades are 420HC stainless done over in a brush finish with standard pulls and are hollow ground. Liners and scale pins are brass, and the bolsters and shield are nickle/silver. Can't tell for sure but the center pin is either nickle/silver or stainless.

Fit and finish is decent. Scales to bolsters, scales and bolsters to liners, and the finish of the pins and shield to scales are all seamless and smooth as silk. Nicely done here. Blade grinds and edges are good, with the edges being real sharp and evenly ground except on the Spey blade were there is a slight uneveness.....but nothing major. All the blades have zero lateral play and close together without any noticable rub even though they are virtually touching one another.......



All metal surfaces are done in a brush finish except for the bolsters and shield which are mirror polished. This combined with the smooth polished red wood scales makes for a nice looking slip.

Now on to the sore spot here. First thing is the backspring fit. As mentioned at the start of this post I looked through every single Large Stockman they had in the 371 pattern, 3 in the Red and about 5 or so in the Brown, and this one was the one with the best visual looking fit I could find (the one with the least amount of gaps). Taking it out of it's clamshell packaging it became apparent that it's fit here wasn't all that great either. here's a couple shots of the backsprings, click on the thumbs to enlarge......



......as you can see the few small gaps here ain't real bad but in the closed position the Spey blade backspring sits above the others but is flush with the blade open. The Main Clip blade's backspring sits below the other two when closed but sits relatively even and flush with the blade open. And the Sheepsfoot's backspring sits above and raised in the closed position and then sinks below the other two backsprings when the blade is opened!!!!!

And on top of that, all three backsprings are fairly light. Not lazy but they are lighter than most of my other slipjoints. Most noticable of which is the Sheepsfoot backspring which snaps closed decently but is almost lazy when reaching it's near full open position.....it's real easy to close this blade, but not quite dangerously so.

I had looked at some other patterns they had there, some of the Trappers and mini-Trappers looked as though they had just one large backspring as the fit was so clean and tight you couldn't tell them apart.....these Stockmans were full of gaps but this one I got was the cleanest of the bunch, but I was looking for gaps and not raised uneven springs. Not a deal breaker here though as it was still cheap at about $23.00 and not worth the hassle of trying to return it or what not. But I will be a bit more particular next I hunt for some of these.

But it is a bit disappointing as it was this pattern over the others that I wanted but all the others I looked at had better fit than any of these Stockmans. And these imported Bucks are made by the same people that make the Rough Riders, and while I have a few RR's that have some gaps in the backspring area.....none of them have uneven raised and lowered springs in the closed or open blade positions as this Buck has. And the RR's I can get at half the price of this Buck.

I'm going to hunt down at other places a better example in the 371 pattern, as well as get myself a USA made 301......but my first go at an imported Buck did not come out as good as I hoped.

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05-29-09 15:42.55 - Post#1851527    

Sorry you didn't like your first Chinese Buck.

I have 2 that I got at Wal Mart and I like them
very well. At wal mart I was able to touch and feel the knives and pick the one I wanted.

I hate those danged clam packs that Bass Pro has.

Just as a matter of curiosity, do you know for
certain that the chinese bucks are made by the
same people who make the rough riders ????

I also bought a couple of the Rough Rider new
Tobacco smooth bone barlows. The quality is great. Very sharp edge and solidly built. The
only problem was the mis-alignment of the nail nicks - it's a little tricky getting the master
blade out by itself.

have fun,

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05-29-09 17:38.10 - Post#1851579    

k5,

I like it, don't get me wrong.....it's not out right horrible. It just has some problems that while actually not major are kinda peeves for me when it comes to slips.

As far as these imported Bucks being made by the same people that make Rough Riders....on several occassions both Steve Koontz and Jay Parker of SMKW's have mentioned such on their "Knives Live" show. These imported Bucks and Rough Riders aren't the only ones they make either.....the Global Series of Marbles Slipjoints and the new line of Colt Slipjoints are made by them as well from my understanding.

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05-30-09 00:20.10 - Post#1851648    

2xT -

Sorry you're not happy with the Buck. I now have 7 and all are as close to perfect as I'd expect from a $20 knife.

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Most noticable of which is the Sheepsfoot backspring which snaps closed decently but is almost lazy when reaching it's near full open position



My small stockman had a similar issue. I sprayed the hell out of it with RemOil and opened and closed it fifty times or so to work the grit out. Once it came clean, it works perfectly.

I just came up from the basement. I gave up castrating pigs a while back, so I decided I didn't need a spey blade on my stockman. I whittled it down and came up with a pretty nifty drop point for the effort.

The change makes this nearly the perfect EDC knife for me.

FWIW - I did order up a RR Congress Whittler and a sweet stockman with fluted bolsters. I can't wait to see what arrives...

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05-30-09 01:06.36 - Post#1851666    

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yud,

Marbles as a manufacturer doesn't but their have been fairly recent productions of MSA marked slips and other folders made here in the USA.....some made by Queen and Northwoods IIRC. Look here: M.S.A. Co. folders


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05-30-09 03:50.18 - Post#1851758    

Sgt.Mike,

No worries.....I know they make near perfect examples. Things like this are to be expected from time to time on inexpensive imports such as these. It's my own fault really as I went there set on getting a 371 and fully realizing they had none that were real clean I went and bought one anyway instead of waiting.

Mine also came a bit gritty, all three blades had some gunk on the tangs. I cleaned off the tangs and inside of the frame and hit all three with a little Wilson Gunlube and worked it in. Didn't notice any change in the light feel of the springs except that the blades open a bit smoother now.

But I think I found out why the Sheepsfoot has that almost lazy feel going into the open position. Looking at the tangs, on the Sheepsfoot I noticed the transition between the camming part of the tang and joint itself where the backspring meets the blade in the open position is more rounded and less pronounced on this blade than the others. With the backspring being relatively light as it is the blade just rolls into the open position with little snap.

I hope the RR's you get are of the quality generally found in them.....on occassion you can get a "Friday Knife" but usually they are pretty decent. I look forward to hearing your impressions of them when they arrive.

yud,

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06-05-09 11:52.30 - Post#1857335    

The other day I stumbled onto a auction for this piece in the last minute, jumped it in the last few seconds with a bid and snagged it for $20.50, not bad but I was hoping I'd of got it a bit cheaper as this is about the average price for these.

Anyway, it's another Jumbo Trapper from the Marble's Global Series. Same pattern as my previous one I posted abot earlier in this thread......4 1/2" in the closed position with Green Stag Bone scales, Nickle/Silver grooved bolsters and shield, brass liners and pins, stainless backsprings, and 440A stainless blades.

The fit and finish on this one is a bit better than my previous one. Blades are mirror polished and sport match-striker pulls and have clean grinds with even edges that are very sharp. There is no noticable lateral play in either of the blades. Bolsters are mirror polished as well, and grooved, with a seamless fit to the scales. Backspring area is brushed polished and the backsprings are quite stout but not quite up to GEC levels. They sit flush with the blades opened or closed but both sit a bit below the liners when at half-stop. And this is where I find the only faut with this slippie. Like my previous one it has some gaps near the barehead end between the backsprings and liners. This one though has just some small hairliners..........



.........doesn't affect anything and they are quite faint, but still noticable. The scales, as previously mentioned, are Green Bone Stag. Somewhat dark in color but with very nice hues that go lighter in some areas. The jigging is very well done. My pics do not do these scales justice, they are much nicer and more vibrant in person.

Like most of these import Marble's it came in a two piece box with a nice padded and lined zipper pouch.

Overall it's a very nice piece for the money. A hefty, well built Jumbo Trapper with natural bone scales and relatively solid construction. Decent blade steel and stout springs, all combined with a nice protective zipper pouch for storage......all for about $20.00!!!

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06-30-09 16:52.41 - Post#1877913    

These knives we discuss are great values for the money. I continue to be impressed with my Rough Rider knives. I got a passel of them.

These knives kind of make me angry. They prove beyond doubt that the chinese CAN create something that is not total junk.
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07-01-09 09:10.43 - Post#1878348    

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These knives kind of make me angry. They prove beyond doubt that the chinese CAN create something that is not total junk.



True, just so long as the contracting company forces them to maintain a certain level of QC. They have the ability, that's for sure. But these are the exception.....not the rule.

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07-01-09 11:11.02 - Post#1878443    

The company is going to do what the contracter wants. If the contracter wants quility, and pays for it, they do it. And normally the cost difference is minimal.
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07-01-09 15:52.40 - Post#1878653    

The gentleman from Denver, PA has it right.
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07-01-09 16:19.28 - Post#1878664    

  • 2xTap Said:
True, just so long as the contracting company forces them to maintain a certain level of QC. They have the ability, that's for sure. But these are the exception.....not the rule.

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Not the rule is right! Most of what comes out of china is junk. And people stupidly keep buying it.
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07-02-09 06:05.38 - Post#1878990    

Not junk are my Rough Rider knives (RR). I have started the edge holding test. Any suggestions on what I should cut next?
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07-02-09 08:30.32 - Post#1879110    

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Not junk are my Rough Rider knives (RR). I have started the edge holding test. Any suggestions on what I should cut next?




Well, you could try taking one of your RR slippies and whack down on some cinder-blocks.....maybe even put it in a vise and beat it with a hammer!

Some tend to think these are good tests of a knife's ability, you could be the first to try it with a slip!

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07-02-09 09:11.04 - Post#1879142    

I went to a local engineering shop a couple of days ago to buy a length of 1/16" silver solder, at the counter the owner Jeff and I discussed the new Schrade stockman that he was carrying, to put it mildly ...it was a piece of unmitigated trash.
The blades were heavy and coarse (as was the entire knife) and the spring tension was almost non-existant...he paid $30.00 for the thing...AND WAS HAPPY!

If given a specification the Chinese companies DO appear to be able to meet it occasionally.....but I for one would prefer a pre 80's Schrade.
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07-02-09 09:15.21 - Post#1879147    

I am so glad you started this thread Many times I've gone into buying a product such as tools or boots or whatever, bought the very best and have been disappointed, it's not about the money. I just want to buy quality, so it doesn't fail on me when needed the most, but there in lies the rub, just because there is a big name on it, doesn't warrant success.
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07-02-09 09:20.56 - Post#1879154    

no one,

As would I. I don't own any of the new Schrades as of yet, but the earlier USA made ones I have a few of and they are excellent slips.

I much prefer my USA and German slips over all others, but the few Chinese built ones that maintain a decent level of quality like the RR's are hard to pass up as they can be near perfect in F&F with decent steel, and cost a mere fraction of what most of my USA and German pieces do.

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07-02-09 13:10.00 - Post#1879332    

  • 2xTap Said:
  • wstwood Said:
Not junk are my Rough Rider knives (RR). I have started the edge holding test. Any suggestions on what I should cut next?




Well, you could try taking one of your RR slippies and whack down on some cinder-blocks.....maybe even put it in a vise and beat it with a hammer!

Some tend to think these are good tests of a knife's ability, you could be the first to try it with a slip!

2xTap ...... sorry, couldn't help myself!



Excellent! Chop up a cinderblock. AND I will take a brick out of a wall at my grandmas, just cuz I can.

But do I have to wear ther mask?
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07-02-09 13:33.11 - Post#1879354    

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07-02-09 13:44.36 - Post#1879374    

Heck I AM the village idiot. My village misses me when I am here!
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07-02-09 13:51.13 - Post#1879386    

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Heck I AM the village idiot. My village misses me when I am here!



And we miss you when you aren't!!!



And, if you believe that....well....
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07-02-09 16:06.02 - Post#1879527    

ROTFLMAO!!!
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07-02-09 16:13.25 - Post#1879532    


:@
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07-04-09 14:04.29 - Post#1880998    

Hey, 2XTap-

Thought I'd post this in your thread since it kind of fits here. My son had a Case Caliber, a cheap little lockback with a black plastic handle. Well, he must have torqued it just right cuz the next thing he knew, the sides separated and the blade came off the pin.

Anyway, I'm looking to get him an inexpensive lockback to replace. He needs something easy to sharpen...and I need something easy to replace.

What do you think about this one from RR? It's a green bone, and it looks cool. More importantly, a young buck always need 2 blades!


Or maybe:


Whatcha think? Both run $9 or so.

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07-04-09 15:38.48 - Post#1881041    

I am all for this! The RR brand represents a line of knives with excelent fit and finish.

I am still evaluating the steel. But so far it has done everything I have asked and it still has an edge.
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07-04-09 15:58.39 - Post#1881053    

Chewy, my vote would be for the single blade as the twin blade abomination looks like it should belong to a pox-doctors clerk !
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07-04-09 19:25.52 - Post#1881129    

Chewy,

Can't say for the double-bladed version but that single blade lockback is identical to one a friend of mine has a few of. Neat little folders and of similar build and F&F to their slipjoint line.

Good little knives.

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07-05-09 03:05.42 - Post#1881237    

My father in law just bought 3 of the double lockback models.he gave me one and i have inspected all three and they are all very nice for the money,no blade wobble,great knife for a user or kid.
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Chewy
07-05-09 08:10.33 - Post#1881388    

Thank you, all.

Well, you won't believe it, but I posted this question over on BF and 2Brothers (Mike) is sending my son a Kershaw DWO in bright orange. Knife guys are great!

I might go ahead and get the 2-blade abomination for myself, anyway.
Mini-Canadian,Canadian Special,Pro-Scalpel,U2,S1 ,Native,Byrd Robin,Alpha Dorado,Buck 110,Case Barlow,Boker Barlow,VIC Ranger,Four Sodbusters,Congress,GEC Barlow

no_one
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07-05-09 09:16.50 - Post#1881415    



Ps, I followed your posts on the subject over at BF.
Ice_Tigre
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Ice_Tigre
07-06-09 03:17.55 - Post#1881894    

I've got the two blade'r in red. Nice little knife, slim and easy to carry, goor grip with its shape. Twas my shirt pocket knife for a while.

I got it because of my moose/muskrat-2 blades at opposing ends pattern collecting; it's basically a mid-lock muskrat on a canoe frame. At the low cost, things like this are worth getting, if just for the fact of being a novelty in style/frame combinations.

G.
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wstwood
09-20-09 18:51.41 - Post#1940840    

Well I took on a challenge. I snagged a small piece of wood from a friends pile and took it home.

I split it with my Golok and a baton I had in the back of my truck.

I had decided to try to make a spoon for the wife.

I chose to use the Rough Rider large congress my wife got me for my birthday.

Now I had not really used the large congress. I had only used the whittler.

So I touched the main blade to the strop and cleaned her up a bit.

Then I went out into my cat habitat and started to whittle.

Whoa! Hard wood. Slow going!

I have also had to deal with a few knots.

I have not used any blade but the main blade and she is still at a nice level of sharpness.

I am about 1/3rd the way on the handle.

I have not started the bowl.

I am impressed with how well this thing is holding an edge!

This knife came with excellent F&F and better than average W&T.

I have had it in pocket for about 5 months and all I have done to it is touch one blade to the strop for a few passes on each grit.

I also carry a case knife. A peanut.

It is my out on the town sheeple friendly knife.

I dont think Case is going to be put out of business any time soon by Rough Rider knives, but I do have a solid new performer.

price per pound, Rough Rider is the winner though.

Carrying knives involves risk.

You could lose your knife.

Would you rather lose a $75 to $100 Case or lose a $10 Rough Rider?

I can come up with a bazillion reasons why RR knives are a bargain.

I have kept the best for last.

You will know it as soon as you get yours.

"When all other rights have been taken away, the right of rebellion is made perfect."

Thomas Paine.

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2xTap
09-21-09 08:53.05 - Post#1941235    

wstwood,

Good post bud, and I agree. I haven't tried any of my RR's on wood....I'm not much of a whittler, but on other things their blade steel has held up good and better than one would expect.

I have a few RR's that have some faults but nothing major, but I also have quite a few that are excellent in the F&F department....not bad at all considering the low cost.

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wstwood
09-22-09 04:34.36 - Post#1941849    

I am not much of a whittler either.

I got sucked into this make a spoon thing and grabbed the first wood that came to hand.

Had to be really hard wood.

I will go get some pine and try again.

But the RR is holding up like a champ.

I am not going to sharpen it till I am sure it has been thoughroughly tested
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2xTap
09-23-09 08:56.06 - Post#1942857    

wstwood,

Well, I hadn't really been eyeing any RR's lately. Been on a Case, GEC, Queen, Robeson, S&M kick for a while.......but since you brought it up I went and ordered some more RR's.

It's all you fault!!!!

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HBlaine
09-23-09 09:38.48 - Post#1942881    

Just to throw my hat in the ring, I have one of the "Wal-Mart special" Buck 371 Stockman knives and, as a knockabout knife, it's great. I can't find anything bad about the knife at all. Fit and finish are good, the blade quality is excellent. As a working knife, I'm not afraid to get a little rough with it if I have to. While I don't think it's quite in the same category as my Case 3318 CV Stockman, it holds its own.

As for other Chinese knives, I have a couple Kissing Kranes on the way from A.G. Russell, just to see how they are.

I think it's definitely the case that if a company holds a contractor's feet to the fire, they'll get a decent product.
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k5
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09-23-09 13:33.58 - Post#1943013    

2xtap,

Please let us know what patterns you ordered and
when they come in, give us a short report.

I will tell you all that I bought 2 of the RR
Coal Miner medium size lockbacks.
I am very happy with the blade, the edge grind, and the overall appearance of both of them.
They are very sharp out of the box.
The only slight complaint is the "bladefall" alignment is a good ways off center - but I have seen this in lots of inexpensive knives.

k5
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wstwood
09-23-09 14:11.52 - Post#1943042    

I have seen it in expensive knives too.
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HBlaine
09-24-09 07:58.01 - Post#1943614    

Well, as I'm still on my endless cleanup out on the old family farm... I went out this afternoon, and took a couple knives with me. I was only going to take my Case Congress, which is what I've been carrying/using as of late, but all this talk about cheaper knives got to me, so I dropped the Buck Stockman in my other pocket. Glad I did.

I ended up having to cut up a ton of old boxes. Now, the Congress could've handled it, but these boxes had just been dosed in chemicals... Kerosene, gasoline, motor oil, bug spray, and God only knows what else. I really didn't want to get into that with my Case, so out came the Buck.

Most of these were just standard old cardboard boxes, and I used the Sheepsfoot to cut them down. But several had some sort of multi-layer reinforcing in the corners of the box, made them stronger than any box I've ever seen. For those, I used the clip point. The blades went through the those boxes like lasers. The bigger blades and larger handle on the Buck was a real plus.

I can't say a bad thing about that Buck 371. It's not going to replace the Case, butI think it's a fine companion when out working. (ie, when in doubt, two knive are better than one! )
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wstwood
09-24-09 08:31.58 - Post#1943640    

One = none

two = one.
"When all other rights have been taken away, the right of rebellion is made perfect."

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2xTap
09-24-09 14:55.31 - Post#1943949    

  • k5 Said:
2xtap,

Please let us know what patterns you ordered and
when they come in, give us a short report.




I ordered just two, a fullsize Trapper in smooth red bone and one of their Medium Stockman's (similar to a Case #18 pattern) in red smooth bone as well. Liked the look and they were dirt cheap, and with free shipping, figured why not! I also snagged another Marble's Jumbo Trapper, this one in their Brown Stag Bone. Got this one cheap too.

I'll be doing my usual reviews of them and post them here on this thread.

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HBlaine
09-25-09 06:08.21 - Post#1944342    

And just as a follow-up, I finally got the Kissing Krane knives from AG Russell. A mixed bag, definitely.

I'd ordered a yellow-handle 4.5" toothpick, and a yellow handle toothpick trapper. I ended up with a toothpick trapper and a fiddleback whittler... (I really don't mind, as the whittler and the toothpick are the exact same price. And, to be honest, I don't have any whittler-pattern knives, and I do have a toothpick, soo...)

I haven't had a chance to use them yet. The blades seem decent, and are fairly sharp. The fit/finish of the handles leaves something to be desired. Passable, though. I think they'll make good users.

Entirely as a sidenote, since it's not a slippie, I picked up a Kissing Krane "Italian Stiletto". It's rough, but again more than passable. Different than what I'm used to. Now, I'm just going to have to come up with some use for this one. (Not going to be easy, as I'm not in the habit of shanking gangsters, spies, nor Wehrmacht troopers in dark alleys...)
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2xTap
09-25-09 09:01.05 - Post#1944427    

HBlaine,

Sorry to hear your Kissing Cranes ain't up to what you expected. The one I have far exceeded what I though it would be. Very well made little piece for the money.

As to that Stiletto you got.....who said you need to have a use for it.

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HBlaine
09-25-09 09:15.23 - Post#1944441    

Well, I have to amend what I said earlier. I took all three of the KK's out with me to the farm this evening. Just to check on things there.

I took some time to look the two KK slippies over, and I have to say that (for the price I paid, well under $20 each) they aren't as bad as I originally made out. Granted, I didn't put them to heavy use. (I trimmed a jagged fingernail with the pen blade on the whittler...) The emblems are set in the handles a little crudely, but otherwise they aren't bad at all. In fact, the biggest complaint I can come up with isn't the construction of the knives, but a bit of the packaging. The damnable stickers they put on the blades, with the "handcrafted in China" logo. The glue they use with that much be designed to outlast the cockroaches! Yeesh! WD-40 wouldn't touch the stuff. I finally just put drops of 3-in-1 on the adhesive, let it set, then polished. And repeated. The adhesive finally came off, but there's still a neat little shadow rectangle on the main blades of both slippies...

The whittler actually displaced my Case Congress as the knife in pocket for the evening. So I can't have too many complaints!

The stiletto is just a cool knife. I have a feeling it'll mostly disembowel envelopes and packages. I like the design, and it has a such a distinctive look to it. And the quality is, again, better than I originally thought. Soooo...
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2xTap
09-25-09 09:42.37 - Post#1944466    

HBlaine,

I know what you mean about that damn "Made in China" sticker. My KC had one on it's blade as well. It took me some time with a rag and some Flitz to get all the adhesive off of the blade. And some serious hand buffing with Flitz to get rid of that shadow it left. It's still not entirely gone, you can still faintly see it in the blade.

Don't know why they have to use such adhesive in that type of sticker.

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newadventure
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09-25-09 15:29.36 - Post#1944663    

  • 2xTap Said:
HBlaine,

Don't know why they have to use such adhesive in that type of sticker.

2xTap



Wonder if the trade laws try to get " made in XXXX" to be close to "permanent"???
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HBlaine
09-25-09 15:34.24 - Post#1944670    

The funny thing is, "Handcrafted in China" is also stamped on the base of a secondary blade on each of the slippies... Guess they REALLY want to get the point across...
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wstwood
09-25-09 15:53.37 - Post#1944681    

  • 2xTap Said:
Don't know why they have to use such adhesive in that type of sticker.

2xTap




It is a commie plot!
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Thomas Paine.

k5
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09-25-09 17:25.31 - Post#1944722    

I bought a couple of the Kiss. Cranes in the
Swayback Jack pattern with jigged amber bone handles. I got these about Christmas of last year. They did not have any sticker on the main
blade, and the tang stamp on the secondary blade
says Rostfrei. They must have changed something
since last December.

Whoops,,, I vaguely remember,, maybe they did have
a sticker on the main blade, but I don't remember
them being difficult to remove.

I gave one to a friend and kept one,,, the quality and FF is good.

k5
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wstwood
09-25-09 19:00.10 - Post#1944749    

Well testing continues.

I have spent several hours whittling hard wood and the RR large congress main blade is still working sharp.

I continue to be impressed by these low cost gems.

I gotta say it, I love my rough riders.

I also love that when I am giving away a RR to someone who has no knife (parish the thought) I am giving them reasonable quality.

Payday I think I will buy a dozen more.
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HBlaine
09-26-09 03:28.51 - Post#1944901    

Stop telling me about these new knives! Now I'm going to have to go looking for them!

Glad those RRs are working out. Sound like winners!
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2xTap
09-26-09 03:50.18 - Post#1944913    

wstwood,

Thanks for the update on your testing of that RR. Sounds as though it's edge retention is doing quite well against that wood. As I mentioned before I've not used any of mine on wood but I do have a RR Deerslayer that I have used as a beater around the house. It has seen some serious carpet cutting and the edge held up fine to that, longer than I expected it to. And when it did begin to dull it was real easy to bring the edge back to shaving sharpness.

HBlaine,

If you don't own any yet I highly recommend getting some to try out. The prices get dirt cheap on them, and they can be quite the knife for the money.

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wstwood
09-26-09 13:48.58 - Post#1945173    

I am well satisfied with the edge retention on this RR knife.

I can say I have put this edge through its paces and it has held up pretty darn well for a $10 knife!
"When all other rights have been taken away, the right of rebellion is made perfect."

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HBlaine
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HBlaine
09-26-09 14:27.41 - Post#1945198    

Well, I was forced to go to Wally-World today, so I thought I'd make a pass by their knife counter. Only intended to look, but... well, you know...

I picked up a little Buck 375 Deuce. This is the Chinese made version of the 305 Lancer. Tiny little knife, but fun to play with. Has a clippoint main blade, and a coping blade seconday. I carried it (along with the KC whittler) all evening. Used the clip to cut soft spots out of a couple apples.

Like all the other knives we've been talking about here, the quality is really good, and the price is fairly low. Good little secondary knife that you can almost forget you're carrying.
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2xTap
09-26-09 14:47.58 - Post#1945212    

  • wstwood Said:


I can say I have put this edge through its paces and it has held up pretty darn well for a $10 knife!



You can't beat that!

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HBlaine
09-26-09 15:11.40 - Post#1945220    

Well, in the afterglow of the new little Buck, I let insanity take hold... Went over Smokey Mountain Knife Works and picked up some Rough Rider knives... There's a Congress and a Stockman on the way now...

I'm blaming all of you for this, you know...
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2xTap
09-26-09 15:24.16 - Post#1945227    

Well, them two RR's I ordered recently arrived today. They are real nice. These two were bought on a whim really. I like red bone, and I like smooth bone.....Red Smooth Bone is even better. And these two were sitting at $9.00 a piece with Free Shipping so I said what the hell. Glad I did!

The Stockman is their medium size one at 3 1/2" closed. The Trapper is fullsize at 4 1/8" closed. They both have RR's 440A stainless blades with matchstriker pulls, grooved nickle/silver bolsters, nickle/silver Horseshoe shield, brass liners and pins, and gorgeous Red Smooth Bone scales.

Fit and finish on both are exceptional, especially given their $9.00 price tags. Very little to fault either over. Both have virtually gap free fit all around, nice polish on the blades and bolsters, all blades have even grinds and very sharp edges, both knives sport relatively stout backsprings, both knives have pins polished flush to the scales, and there is no perceivable blade play on any of them.

The Stockman does have a slight hairline gap between the mainblade's backspring and the brass liner, up towards the pivot end about a 1/4" long. Faint and doesn't effect anything, very minor.....



The Trapper is seamless in it's backspring fit.......



......though the Trapper does have a tiny blemish. On the shield side scale there is a small nick in the bone next to the center pin. A very minor cosmetic issue.

All in all great slipjoints for the money, and two prime examples of what the RR's can be. And at this price point.....unmatched quality for what they are.

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k5
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09-26-09 15:47.38 - Post#1945236    

Blaine,
I hope you like your RR's.
Let us know.

2xtap,
I have a red smooth bone stockman just like the
one in your picture. I've been real impressed with the quality & fit/finish on it - had it since last Christmas.

My blood is gettin up now. Maybe I'll have to get
a few more RR pretty soon.

k5

also,,, look at SMKW Christmas catalog (online now) Look in the new products only section and you will find Taylor Cutlery is offering some new
Hammer brand China-made models - I like the green barlow,,, but apparently SMKW does not actually have them in stock yet.
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2xTap
09-26-09 16:07.07 - Post#1945243    

HBlaine,

Which RR Stockman pattern/size did you order?

k5,

Yeah, I got that cataloge in the mail today. It's a big one, lots of new stuff in it. I got my eye on them new import Buck Canoes, the ones in Red Smooth Bone and Blue Smooth Bone.....real nice!

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k5
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09-26-09 16:30.47 - Post#1945251    

2xTap,

I was eyeballing those new import Buck Canoes myself. I think I like the red smooth bone.
I would guess they will be as good as the
recent wood-handle imports have been.

tnx, k5
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2xTap
09-26-09 16:45.29 - Post#1945256    

k5,

Should be, they are still made by the same people.

BTW, I just ordered another 5 Rough Riders!!! I got the bug again!

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HBlaine
09-27-09 03:53.49 - Post#1945428    

I went a little hog-wild and got a saw-cut bone handle Stockman with the fluted bolsters. It just looked...well, a little different.

Here's the model on the SMKW site...



I looked at the smooth red bone handled models, but ended up getting the green smooth bone on the Congress I ordered.

I can't wait till they arrive! Kid at Christmas feelings starting!

By the way, I'm still carrying the KC Whittler. Funny to think I didn't really even order this knife, yet I've taken a major liking to it. Just goes to show you, I guess...
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wstwood
09-27-09 04:18.09 - Post#1945439    

Looks good. Where did you find that example?

I think I like.
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HBlaine
09-27-09 06:11.16 - Post#1945508    

It's on the Smoky Mountain Knife Works website (www.smkw.com). Just look up the section on Rough Riders and search for "Stockman." I think it's about 2-3 pages in on the stockman listings.

It actually was one of the more expensive models, in the $12-$14 range. (Seems strange to be calling that "expensive"... ) It just sort of caught my attention as I was browsing, and I did the "Oh, what hades..." thing and added it to the cart.
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HBlaine
09-27-09 06:12.33 - Post#1945510    

  • 2xTap Said:
k5,

BTW, I just ordered another 5 Rough Riders!!! I got the bug again!

2xTap



So, what models did you go for?
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2xTap
09-27-09 06:34.07 - Post#1945517    

HBlaine,

Good choice, I have one of those as well. A bit fancier than I like but a nice Large Stockman all the same......



As to the 5 I just ordered, I got 3 Large Stockman's coming: Mother Of Pearl, Yellow Delrin, and Smooth Blue Bone. I also have one of their 3 15/16" serpentine Stockman's as well: Amber Jigged Bone. And I got one of their fancy bolstered 3 3/4" inner-frame Congressess coming, this one in MoP with Abalone shield.

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HBlaine
09-27-09 12:56.48 - Post#1945717    

Well, I got bored... In a fit of insanity, I got back on SMKW and put in another order... Saw that 6 bladed Stockman and thought, "Hey, that's cool..."



Did do something odd, though. I added a Schrade Gambler to my list... I've not fooled with the "new" Schrade, so I thought I'd give a cheapie a try... We'll see...

I really need to stay away from the computer for a while... At lease while the credit card is within reach...
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Ice_Tigre
09-27-09 14:20.32 - Post#1945774    

  • HBlaine Said:


I really need to stay away from the computer for a while... At lease while the credit card is within reach...



I know the feeling..

I just found something I've wanted for a while, and nobody made one... A folding hunter pattern, but at 4" closed. Looks like RR does one now though! And its red too! (good thing since 'Taps pics of that smooth red bone were killin' me!)

Its also on its way to me.

I love this handle pattern, but copperheads at 3-3/4" are too small to handle well, but the regular folding hunters at 5-1/4" are too big to carry much. So, I've spent a lot of time searchin', and a fair bit of time savin' cash to have a custom made...

I think RR just saved me some $$ again!

G.
Gary Blessing
Just Another Traditional Country Boy

k5
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09-27-09 14:31.51 - Post#1945783    

I have handled those sawcut/fluted bolster RR's at
a local gun show. I thought they were pretty and
SOLIDLY built. - have not bought one yet.

Yeah,,, don't put your family in $$ jeopardy,,,
Oh, well it's you, not me.

This is fun,,,,

BTW,, my next door neighbor GAVE me a little Boker
lockback, about 2 and 5/8" long. It seems to be
maybe 20years old, in near mint condition.
It has rosewood or cocobola wood handles.
This was yesterday when he gave it to me.

dios,
k5
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brianWE
09-27-09 14:34.47 - Post#1945786    

  • Quote:
I think RR just saved me some $$ again!




It's great to see the old attitudes towards imported knives changing to recognize the "value" factor
Brian W Edginton
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I didn't write it...you did.




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HBlaine
09-28-09 01:18.48 - Post#1945992    

  • k5 Said:
Yeah,,, don't put your family in $$ jeopardy,,,
Oh, well it's you, not me.

k5



I do accept donations...

Congrats on the Boker, by the way. Sounds cool!
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HBlaine
09-28-09 01:24.03 - Post#1945997    

  • brian w edginton Said:
  • Quote:
I think RR just saved me some $$ again!




It's great to see the old attitudes towards imported knives changing to recognize the "value" factor




I couldn't agree more. This reminds me of my other collecting "passion", vintage fountain pens, where there's been a similar reappraisal of low-cost but high quality newer fountain pens. (In particular, pens by the Chinese maker Hero, and several others.)

Granted, these knives aren't going to displace my Cases, or Vics and Wengers, but as carry and use knives, they're tops. And they're darned good looking knives on the side.

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Ice_Tigre
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Ice_Tigre
09-28-09 03:13.22 - Post#1946051    



For me, its never a 'where from', it's a 'how good is it', so its definetaly good to see others appreciating these knives.

I hadn't connected it, but thats a good comparison, Hero and other Asian import pens.(another fountain pen user/collector here, although I'm new to it)

G.
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wstwood
09-29-09 04:18.51 - Post#1946992    

  • HBlaine Said:
I really need to stay away from the computer for a while... At lease while the credit card is within reach...



I agree. I have been sitting on my hands for awhile now. Trying not to spend.

There are a couple Bark Rivers though that I am intending to get next month.
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HBlaine
09-30-09 06:46.00 - Post#1947853    

Well, here goes the bizarrity... I just got my first order from SMKW. The 2nd one, that I ordered a day after I ordered 1st one...

Go figure...

The Rough Riders are an interesting lot. All bone handled... I got a 2 blade Barlow, a red-handled utility, a Hunter with a razor and clip, and (ready for this?) a 6-bladed Stockman. They all look good. The blades a mixed lot, some quite sharp, others in need of a bit of touch up. The only really irksome thing is on the 6-blade, the small clip blade will not open unless you open the main clip, because it snags on the main's nail nick.

The little Schrade Gambler was in this lot, and I'm not overwhelmed by it. The blade's OK, but the scissors seem clumsy. And the f&f seem a bit rough. (Then again, I may be biased, because I'm used to the scissors on my Vics and Wengers, and you don't get better than those.)

Now, to just sit back and wonder why I didn't get the earlier order first....... (Or, maybe, wait till another UPS guy comes wandering in... )
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09-30-09 09:05.14 - Post#1947931    

HBlaine,

It might be that you got your second order first because something in your first is on backorder or came into stock late.

Good to hear you got a some good runs in your RR's. You will occassionally get one with a bobble.....I have some that ain't perfect.

The five Rough Riders I ordered came in (as well as one Marble's, 2 Case pieces, and a Buck Creek!) and all of mine are real good. A few little nit-picky things here or there but overall pretty much what I have come to expect from the RR's.

I'll try to get some pics done soon.

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HBlaine
09-30-09 09:18.07 - Post#1947940    

That's my haul, just nitpicky stuff. I took the stockman, trapper, and barlow with me on my run out to the farm. Tried out the razor to see if it worked the way a razor should (ie, hook it on your pocket to open), and it performed fine. The blades on it and the barlow are nice and sharp. The stockman and the utility are going to need a little touch-up, but nothing major. I can live with the small clip problem on the stockman. I think the utility probably needs to be introduced to WD-40 or 3-in-1, but other than that... I'm happy.

Everything on the 1st order was supposed to be in stock and ready to ship. However, who knows? We'll see if it shows up tomorrow...

I think I might try one more order. I saw RR does a marlin spike knife. And I'd like to have a look at some of those Marbles knives, as they look pretty nice.

I was going to try to get some pics on mine, but it was rainy/nasty out in the boonies, so didn't even get the camera out.

Congrats on your haul! Sounds pretty good!
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HBlaine
09-30-09 09:52.05 - Post#1947961    

And, like an idiot, I went ahead and snagged one of the RR marlin spike knives. I did look at the Marbles knives, but nothing really tripped the trigger. I did pick up a Frost 5-blade Congress knife, though...

I don't know about myself sometimes...

I think I'm going to stop now. Before the creditors come...
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HBlaine
09-30-09 12:18.38 - Post#1948065    

And, third time's charm...

Just ran the RR 6-blade and Utility knife blades through a bit of a carbide & ceramics workout. All blades are now quite sharp.

And I'm going to throw my vote in on these knives being one of the best values I've ran across in quite a long time. No, they aren't going to rival Case, et al, but for a bunch of knives that only cost around $8-$12... They're darned good!
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09-30-09 15:04.34 - Post#1948168    

Mr. Blaine, I'm glad you are having fun, and I
enjoy reading your posts - appreciate your reports too.

It looks like RR is the winner in low-priced quality,,, I will have to make a move soon or you
guys will have them all sold out.

I am almost certain that the NEW Colt line at SMKW
is made by the RR people. I've been eyeballing some of the Colt fixed blades.

'dios
k5
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09-30-09 15:25.40 - Post#1948191    

HBlaine,

I got a couple of the RR MarlinSpikes when they firast came out. Did some reviews of them here.....many pages back. Good ones, real nice.

And if you are hunting for real good deals on RR's, outside of auction.......go here: Waxman Knifeworks

They have great prices, fast shipping, and they package the knives real well. The five I recently ordered came from them.

k5,

Earlier in this thread I posted about one of the new Colt Black Stag Bone slippies I got.....they are made by the same folks that do the RR's.

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HBlaine
09-30-09 16:31.02 - Post#1948215    

Tap, you just had to show me that!

I immediately started looking at the Doctor knives, because (yes) I don't have any of that pattern. However, I am going to hold off till the other 2 orders come in from SMKW. I think I'm going to have enough to keep me playing for a while when I have all of those.

Out of the bunch I got today, the two favs are the Barlow and the Razor Trapper. I swear I can remember one of my older uncles having a well-worn Barlow pattern when I was a little kid. And the Razor pattern is just, well, cool ! It looks like a straight razor. And, whether the legend is true or not, the story of the reason behind the development in the post-Civil War period is fascinating.

We'll see how much use I can get out of'em!
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HBlaine
09-30-09 16:39.53 - Post#1948221    

K5, Thanks!

The RRs are definitely winners in my book.

I saw the Colt knives in the mini-catalog that SMKW. They do look interesting. Now, you're going to have to be the one who dives into those and lets everybody know how they!
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HBlaine
10-01-09 05:52.28 - Post#1948575    

Well, the 1st order arrived today. I've only had a chance to do a quick once over, but I have to say I'm very impressed. All the knives seem to be quite nice. The most obvious thing to say is that the saw-handle RR stockman is freaking huge. Stunned me when I saw it. I'd also ordered a KC sodbuster (the "coal miner" model, given I'm in WV), and the stockman is actually bigger than it is.

I'm getting ready to do a whirlwind tour of the farms, so I'm going to take a few of the knives with me. Maybe try a couple out. Maybe even grab some pics. It's a nice day here, so...
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10-01-09 08:12.31 - Post#1948657    

HBlaine,

Go to the first page of this thread and scroll down a ways, I already have one review of the new Colt material posted. If you are interested.

Good to hear your first order finally came in, if you think them Large Stockmans (4 1/4" closed) are big, they make a pattern even bigger. I got a few of them, Jumbo Stockman with serpentine frame and round bolsters. They sit in at 4 1/2" closed!

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HBlaine
10-01-09 11:05.56 - Post#1948762    

Well, here's a quick shot I took out in the boonies. This is all of the 2 orders, save for the 6-blade and the little Schrade. For some bizarre reason, I forgot to get them...
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HBlaine
10-01-09 11:11.08 - Post#1948764    

And here's a couple of the 6-Blade Stockman, and the Schrade Gambler. As mentioned above, I had to do some sharpening on the Stockman, but it's not bad now. And I've actually softened a bit towards the Schrade. Actually did some minor trimming with it. The blade is quite sharp, and the scissors seem very functional. So, I can't really gripe...
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HBlaine
10-01-09 11:18.08 - Post#1948771    

'Course, I got to put the KC Sodbuster to work, though not in a way you'd normally use it.

Found this charming remnant up above the old house on our other farm. From the looks of this, the former owner is actually pretty small compared to what I've seen around the area in the past...
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HBlaine
10-01-09 11:21.21 - Post#1948777    

And, to finish it all out, a little quality time with the KC Congress and the monster saw-handle Stockman...
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10-02-09 08:10.09 - Post#1949284    

HBlaine,

Nice haul bud, you got some nice RR's there. What do you think of their Utility Knives?

I have been a fan of the Scout knives, got a slew of them myself....snagged both of those RR Utility's when they came out and really like them. Wish they did some more in other handle materials. A very close copy of the earlier Case #45R pattern.

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HBlaine
10-02-09 08:57.18 - Post#1949305    

Thanks, Tap! Appreciate it.

I rather like the Utilities. They're a nice, well-balanced knife. I've taken a liking to the red-handled model, particularly. It's funny, the Amber handle came quite sharp, while I had to do a little ceramic honing on the red one. I had the Amber with me today (along with the green bone Congress) while doing my farm rounds again.

I do like the looks of this style can opener, but I haven't tried it yet. Wondering a bit about that...

Have to also say, I've really taken a shine to the saw-handle Stockman. I really like the pattern. May have to get a few more like it.
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10-02-09 12:20.04 - Post#1949430    

HBlaine,

I like my Red Bone handled one the best as well, they are nice. I'm not all that fond of the older style can-opener, but they are a great knife overall.

I am of the fan of that Stockman pattern as well, 4 1/4" with squared bolsters.....my favorite of the Stockmans. Three of the five newest RR's I just got are of this pattern. I got alot of them, and a ton of Case #75's which are a similar pattern, as well as several others. Great Stockman pattern.

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10-03-09 03:30.04 - Post#1949728    

Ok, got a chance to take some pics of one of my new Rough Riders just before the storm clouds rolled in. This one is of a series from RR that I started to collect when they first were introduced.....Mother of pearl with Abalone shields.

This particular one is a Medium Congress at 3 3/4" closed, and a bit fancier than their other Congress patterns in that it has both grooved and angled bolsters. Otherwise it is typical RR in construction with 440A stainless blades with matchstriker pulls, nickle/silver bolsters, and brass liners. Everything is mirror polished, backsprings are better than average stoutness but not nailbreakers, blades have clean grinds and very sharp edges, it's well put together.

Fit and finish is real good but with a few small hiccups. There is some slight blade rub between some of the blades leaving light marks on two of them, and on the shield side backspring there are two small real faint gaps between it and the shield side liner.....real hard to see unless looking up close.



Outside of that it is as solid as they come. Scales are genuine Mother of Pearl that is polished smooth and bright. The shield is genuine Abalone inlayed seamlessly with the scales. Rubbing your finger over this scale you can not feel the transition between the two. Real nice!

I have a large collection of these particular MoP/Abalone Rough Riders, I am working on getting all the patterns in this run. You can't beat these for the price, this particular Congress was only $11.00!!!

I have a few more new RR's and another Marble's I will get to posting about (real nice ones too!) as soon as the weather clears and I can get some more pictures taken.

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HBlaine
10-03-09 04:06.44 - Post#1949756    

Nice, Tap!

I'll admit I'm not a bit MoP person, but those are really attractive.

I've been toting the dog-leg Stockman with me all morning. (Trying to give each of the knives a little pocket time.) A very good looking, functional knife.

I'm like you, I've found a hiccup here and there. (RE, stuff like the small clip on the 6-Blade Stockman catches on the nail nick of the large clip, making you have to open the large before opening the small.) But I've found nothing that knocks these knives down.

Just to get away from stuff last night, I ran out to the farm. Had the green handle Congress with me, and just whittled and fiddled with it. The sheepsfoot blade on that knife was phenomenal in stripping the bark off a a couple sticks I picked up.

I know I'm starting to sound like a broken record, but I can't get across how impressed I am with these knives. They, and the Kissing Cranes I've picked up, have been real eye-openers.
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wstwood
10-03-09 04:53.28 - Post#1949776    

You gotta love the RR brand.

For the small price, you get some good quality.

I am still working on my factory edge on my Congress.

I have only used the one blade and I have done a LOT of whittling.

I am not ready to sharpen it yet.

I am still working on that spoon.

If the weather will break so I can get outside, I will finish the spoon and post pictures.

I am trying to finish the spoon before I sharpen the knife.
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10-03-09 06:39.24 - Post#1949815    

HBlaine,

I'm not one much for the Congress pattern but this one I do like. Yeah, they all ain't perfect and some will have minor issues or cosmetic flaws here or there but very seldom anything major. And for the money it's a non-issue for the most part. You get alot of knife for the price.

And while the stainless they use in their blades ain't the best, they do a good heat treat as we are seeing with wstwood's use of his RR Congress.

Attractive, well built, and functional knives for a fraction of the cost of some bigger names.....what's not to like!

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HBlaine
10-03-09 09:23.33 - Post#1949869    

I just put the dog-leg Stockman through its whittling paces this evening, and we've got ourselves another winner.

Here it is over on the SMKW site...



I do find myself preferring the Congress pattern knives. Maybe the legacy of my Swiss Army Knife fetish. (You know, lots and lots of blades... ) Normally, when I do my time-wasting whittling, I use either a sheepsfoot or coping blade. 'Course, I don't do anything fancy. Mostly just reducing sticks to little piles of chips. (Mostly I pick up fallen maple branches that have dried to cut on. However, this afternoon I picked up a smaller cherry branch, and ended up using the clip point to just cut the branch down further and further...)

I find myself picking up and squirrelling away odd fallen branches and twigs now, just so I'll have a supply... (I do have couple chestnut branches in the car, both about 3/4 to 1" thick, but the only knife I've so far dared turn loose on that has been a Crandall Seahorse Whittler with that marvelous Wharncliffe blade.)

And hey, Wstwood, we're looking forward to seeing that spoon when it's done!
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wescobts
10-03-09 12:39.47 - Post#1949951    

SPOON !! did someone say spoon ? well it's spoon season up here in Crapchester, it was 40 degrees this am, and spoon season means home made soup tomorrow it's home made potato. Sorry if I drailed the subject
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10-03-09 13:16.30 - Post#1949966    

I guess I've been sittin' on the "bench" for a few days. ( no knife buying )

I've been following this thread all the way with
a lot of enjoyment.

2xtap, yes, I remember you were the one who told me that the Colts were mfg'd by the RR folks.

2xtap, I think your MoP congress looks very good.

HBlaine, your collection of RR photo was interesting.

Wstwood, I'm reading your updates on edge holding.

Hblaine,,,, how long have u had that SeaHorse Crandall? Did it come with a good edge?
I have some Seahorse whittlers from about 6 years
ago.

I'm still eyeballing those Colt fixed blades, I don't know why - I don't hunt or camp these days.
They just appeal to me.

I also like the looks of the new Taylor Cutlery
Hammer Brand stuff,,,, but I think they would be
Schradish or Smith and Wessonish and probably not
as solid quality as the RR have proved to be.

til later,
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wstwood
10-03-09 15:32.11 - Post#1950017    

Well edge holding on my RR congress has been far and away BEYOND my expectations. And the testing is still ongoing.

The spoon is going, but slowly.

It snowed here today so I didnt get any whittling done.

I have a feeling it is going to be ugly!
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HBlaine
10-03-09 15:32.20 - Post#1950018    

Soup Season??? No derailment, but you certainly made me hungry !
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HBlaine
10-03-09 15:36.56 - Post#1950022    

Hey K5, I haven't had the Crandall very long at all. Got it on a special from Shepherd Hills, if I remember right.

So far it's been a great knife. It hasn't gotten much use, as I've been too busy playing with the RRs and the Kissing Cranes.
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wstwood
10-03-09 18:38.30 - Post#1950069    

I ordered a couple dozen more RR's yesterday and today.

I also got another pocketknife carrier.

I am thinking seriously about getting these up on my site!

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10-04-09 01:52.21 - Post#1950153    

wstwood,

A couple dozen more.....damn! Hope to see some eye-candy when you get those puppies.

What pocketknife carrier did you get, a regular knife roll or something else?

I recently picked up a few more myself, the Collector Bags from County Comm: Ultimate Collector Bags.....these are real nice, and the pockets are big enough for large folders as well.

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10-04-09 02:14.46 - Post#1950165    

Ok, got some pics done of a few more I recently received. These two are Large Stockmans, they sit in at 4 1/4" closed and have squared bolsters.....my favorite Stockman pattern.

One is smooth Dark Blue Bone and is from their "Man Knives Series" which supports Cancer research. The other is a "Ol'Yeller" done in smooth Yellow Delrin.

Typical RR build with 440A stainless blades with matchstriker pulls, nickle/silver single grooved bolsters and nickle/silver shields, and brass liners and pins. Both knives have nice stout backsprings, clean blade grinds and edges which are hair-shaving sharp, and both are mirror polished throughout.

The Smooth Blue Bone version is fault free, I can't find a single F&F issue with this one at all, and the backspring area on this one is seamless and smooth as a baby's butt.......



The Yellow Delrin version does have a hairline gap about an inch long right in the center of the frame between the backspring and liner on the non-shield side. It's faint but noticable.....



Outside of that these two are the same F&F wise with smooth clean fit between everything else, zero blade play throughout, and nicely polished smooth surfaces. Rough Rider, or I should say those that build them, have really gotten the finish part down as on both of these rubbing your finger across the scales you cannot feel the pins...and on the Yellow one, you can't feel the shield either. Nice and smooth. And if it weren't for the grooves in the bolsters the transition between scales and bolsters would be similarly smooth.

Considering both of these Stockman's costed under $10.00 each, this is exceptional quality.

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10-04-09 03:10.44 - Post#1950202    

Here's the other Large Stockman I recently received. This one is handled in Genuine Mother of Pearl with nickle/silver spacers. This one is older manufacture as can be seen by the box it comes in and it's finish.

Like the others I just posted about this one is 4 1/4" closed with squared bolsters. It has the 440A stainless blades with matchstriker pulls, nickle/silver bolsters, and brass liners.

Fit and finish on this one is not as good as my others. Blades are ground nicely and the edges are even and very sharp, backsprings have typical RR stoutness, and the all the blades are sans any lateral play. Fit of the Pearl slabs to the bolsters and spacers is well done and virtually seamless, and the polish on everything is well executed except on the blades. And this is the first difference between this one and my newer versions.

The polish on this one is a bit hazy on the blades. I have a few other earlier RR's done the same way. It's even throughout the blades but just has a slight dull hazy look to them. The other fault I found is in the backspring area.......



.......the backspring for the Spey/Sheepsfoot blade has a gap between it and the brass backspring spacer, down on the Spey blade side. It's about a 1.5" long and a bit wider than a hairline. It's noticable. Doesn't affect anything but it's there and this kind of gap is a peeve of mine. But it's not much to complain about really considering the knife's cost, just the pearl on this thing alone would cost several times the cost of this whole knife if it was done here Stateside.

If Case did one of their #75 Large Stockman's in this much MoP you'd be looking at a price tag close to $200.00 for it.....this RR was just under $11.00! And while my pics don't really show it, it's some firey Pearl too.

But really, outside of the gap in the backspring area it's a well put together slip, and would make a nice toter for those prefering their EDC pieces to be a bit on fancy side.

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10-04-09 04:27.14 - Post#1950250    

Here's another from that batch of knives I recently got, this one a imported Marble's Jumbo Trapper. Any of you that have followed this thread might recall I reviewed two other versions of this pattern from the Marble's Global Series, and both of those, while overall nice in build did have some ugly gaps in the backspring area.

Not this one!

This one is built damn nice. It's a 4 1/2" closed Jumbo Trapper pattern similar to the Mountain Man's from Queen, the GEC #23 Pioneer, and Remington Bullet Trappers. It sports 440A stainless mirror-polished blades with matchstriker pulls, nickle/silver bolsters and shield, and has brass liners and pins. The scales on this one Brown Stag Bone.



Fit and Finish on this one is virtually seamless and rock solid throughout. All metal surfaces are nicely mirror polished, the blades are flat ground nicely with even ground edges that are hair-popping sharp, bolsters are nicely grooved and polished, scales are fitted seamlessly, backsprings are stout but not quite nailbreakers, blades are sans any play and they pop to the closed and open positions as well as to their half-stops with some authority, and nary a gap to be found along the backside......



This is how they should be, and if they could just be consistant in this these imported Marble's would definitely be the rival of any of the other import slips.....when done with tight QC these are damn fine knives.

Add to that they come in a nice two piece box along with a real nice padded zipper storage pouch, at under $18.00 these are a steal.

Couldn't be happier with this one really. The only fault I could find is a cosmetic blemish on one of the backsprings, some real light surfaces scratches. That's it.

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HBlaine
10-04-09 06:52.44 - Post#1950320    

Tap, the Stockman's are very, very nice. And that trapper is a BEAST! Wow! Incredible!

Wstwood, a couple dozen ?? You guys are killing me here!

I do have a couple orders out. Picked up some stuff from SMKW, RRs and a couple Frost knives. And I put an order in with Waxman's for a few more. And then that's it for me. (I know I said that once before. But this time I mean it. Really...)

This is the first morning for a while I haven't toted an RR. Today it's my Kissing Crane Congress with the yellow synthetic handles. It's a cool, fall day here, and I'm having a bit of reluctance to move too much. Just sitting here doing the number. (A coffee called Uprising! from Dean's Beans. I get a bag of whole beans and grind it myself. Great coffee!) When I finally get motivated, I'll probably take a run out to the country, and play with knives a bit...

The trouble is, the KC Fiddleback Whittler is demanding pocket time too... Is it kosher to walk around on a Sunday with 2-4 knives on you..?
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wstwood
10-04-09 07:09.31 - Post#1950330    

I walk around EVERY day with that many and more!

There is no law that says your KC cant share a pocket with another knife (or 4)

I always carry extra RR's in case someone asks to borrow a knife.

If I like them I will gift them a RR and know I gave them a decent quality knife.

If after that they ask me for a knife I tell them where to get off.

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10-04-09 12:42.44 - Post#1950539    

HBlaine,

Thanks!

So what RR's you got coming with these recent orders?

And there ain't nothing wrong with carrying a few knives at a time. I usually have at least two on me when I am out and about......not always but usually.

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HBlaine
10-04-09 13:44.31 - Post#1950577    

Oh lord... I'm embarrassed by what I have coming...

From SMKW, I have a white bone Marlin Spike and a Barlow, and an amber jigged bone Texedo Whittler. I also have a couple Frost Steel Warrier Congresses, a Winter Aged bone and a 5-blade Mississippi River bone.

From Waxman's I have a Doctors and a Large Copperhead in smooth orange bone, a Peanut in yellow handle, and Muskrat, Large Congress, and Canoe, all in Sawcut Bone.

Guess this is called "going out with a blast"...

Oh, yeah, I've been known to show up with 3-4 knives tucked in various pockets. I try to limit myself to 1 or 2, just to keep it from being a pain in the neck to decided which one to whittle with...
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HBlaine
10-05-09 03:42.14 - Post#1950882    

Wow! The Waxman order just came in today! Now, that's speed.

Initial impressions of the RRs in this order are very good. The Large Copperhead is just that: LARGE. It dwarfs the large sawcut knives. The other knives are quite nice. I really haven't had a chance to play with them much. Getting ready to walk out the door now. May take a couple with me. Try for some usage and pics later on.
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HBlaine
10-05-09 08:39.08 - Post#1951068    

Did end up getting out into the boonies for a bit, and actually ended up working for a while. Only took a couple of the new ones with me, but I did get pictures! I had the sawcut Canoe and Congress with me. The first one is the Congress & Canoe, together with the smooth red bone Whittler (from my last order, and which was down in my jacket pocket). The second two aren't the best pictures, but... Just the Canoe and Congress.

Did get some work and whittling in with the Canoe. I'm usually not a 2 blade kinda guy, but this knife (along with the Barlow pattern I have) might just convert me...
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2xTap
10-05-09 09:16.34 - Post#1951083    

HBlaine,

Boy, you got a slew of them coming. Nice haul!

I was pretty happy with my Waxman order as well, they do ship fast and that's a good thing. I got one of those large Copperheads as well and they are a cool pattern. I like that Copperhead pattern but standard Copperheads are a bit on the small side......I like the RR Large version. Keeps the same pattern design but makes it almost as big as a Folding Hunter. They are cool.

Nice outdoor shots! And I hear you on the 2-bladers. I'm more of a 3-blader myself. At least when it comes to EDC, although I have been known to tote a single blade Sodbuster from time to time. The nice thing about the fullsize Canoes is that they are slick and very pocketable. They all but disappear in a pocket. Real easy to carry.

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HBlaine
10-05-09 11:40.59 - Post#1951179    

Thanks, Tap!

I do like these knives. A lot. As I said, I put the Canoe to work, cutting up some more boxes, and it handled it perfectly. And did some whittling (thin cherry branches) on the side.

I had to run back out to pick up some stuff, so I toted a couple of the other knives with me. Here's a quick shot of the smooth orange bone Doctor, and the sawcut Muskrat. Both very nice knives, too!
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2xTap
10-06-09 09:24.10 - Post#1951840    

HBlaine,

They are one of the best "bang for the buck" line of knives going. Even better that their F&F stays relatively consistant. Like the bone on that Doctor, I like what they do with their smooth bone.

I've been wanting to order some more myself but I'm chompin' the bit on some other GEC's and a few Schatt's. Not sure what I am going to order next.

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HBlaine
10-06-09 11:01.07 - Post#1951907    

Well, the SMKW order came in today. Not bad, either. 2 Frost Steel Warriors and 3 RRs, including the Marlin Spike.

Uhm, Tap, why didn't you warn that the Marlin Spike was...well, HUGE??? If Ahab had had one these on his person, Moby Dick would've been no problem at all...

I only toted a couple of the knives with me today. Here's a shot of the 5-Blade Steel Warrier Congress, in Mississippi River smooth bone, and the white smooth bone RR Barlow. Both very nice. Also in the one picture, just for comparison, is my Case 6318 #042 in Amber Bone. (A very nice knife! I'll throw a pic of it over in the Case forum...)
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bjf41
10-06-09 12:07.17 - Post#1951954    

You all posting on this thread makes me want to get some of my RR out to carry. I always carry a Case. Jusr feel it is better to carry. but reading all your post, I think I need to get out some of my RR and carry them once in a while.
Bill



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2xTap
10-06-09 13:01.14 - Post#1951984    

  • HBlaine Said:


Uhm, Tap, why didn't you warn that the Marlin Spike was...well, HUGE??? If Ahab had had one these on his person, Moby Dick would've been no problem at all...




HBlaine,

Well, I kinda assumed you likely understood what exactly a Marlin Spike was and knew it wasn't a tiny folder. And besides....you seemed to like the Large Stockman's!

You got some nice one's there. What do you think of the "Steel Warrior"? How's the build on yours?

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HBlaine
10-07-09 03:34.19 - Post#1952312    

Well, as far as the marlin spike, I was more thinking Los Angeles class than Typhoon class...

The Steel Warriors aren't bad at all. The smaller Congress is quite nice. The 5-blade has some cosmetic issues around the shield, but otherwise is a very nice knife. I particularly like the Mississippi River pattern.
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2xTap
10-07-09 08:02.13 - Post#1952464    

  • HBlaine Said:
Well, as far as the marlin spike, I was more thinking Los Angeles class than Typhoon class...





LOL.....nice metaphor!

Well, they are more akin to a Los Angeles.....the Folding Hunters and large Coke Bottles are more Typhoon in size.

I got a few of the earlier Steel Warriors and they ain't bad. Their quality has definitely improved some since their initial release. Another good one to look at from them is the "Frost Family Series".....the couple I have of this series are actually as good or better than most of my RR's in F&F.

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HBlaine
10-07-09 09:25.02 - Post#1952516    

  • 2xTap Said:

LOL.....nice metaphor!




Thought you'd get a kick out of that.

I like the Steel Warrior knives. I did break down and grab some Owl Head knifes, as SMKW was doing an overstock deal. Thought I'd see how the quality was on those... They ought to be be here sometime soon...

Knives, knives, and more knives...
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k5
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10-07-09 10:42.47 - Post#1952560    

Blaine,

Let us know how those Owl Heads turn out.
I think 2xtap has spoken about them before too.

I will throw out another name: Rite Edge.
They are ultra "cheap", I never thought about ordering one, but I got to play with one at a gun show and bought it ( 8 bucks ). It is solidly built and has a nice edge on it. It's not polished
all smooth like a rough rider - has stainless steel bolsters - like I said a nice cutting edge and good balance. I got the large Spanish toothpick, a little over 5" closed.

k5
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2xTap
10-07-09 12:44.00 - Post#1952650    

HBlaine,

I got a few of the Owl Heads, mine are a few years old. I got two Congressess, a Stockman, and a Sowbelly.....they are comparable to the RR's. My friend Marv at work picked up a couple of the new ones done in smooth Buffalo Horn and I checked them out. Not bad at all for the money.

k5,

I watch the "Saturday Night Knife and Gunshow" every Saturday Night and Mike on the show has alot of them Rite Edge slippies and fixed blades. Some of them look pretty good. Haven't jumped at any yet nor know anyone who owns any that I could check out. Might order one next time I place an order with their show.....he usually has them dirt cheap.

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HBlaine
10-07-09 13:31.53 - Post#1952705    

I'm looking forward to getting the Owl Heads. If nothing else, I like trademark.

I'll have to look up the Right Edge knives. Sounds interesting!
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k5
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10-07-09 15:55.47 - Post#1952836    

I do not mean to mislead y'all - The Rite Edge that I have is NOT on par with RR.

But if you can pick one up for 6 or 7 dollars, they are worth looking at. They are made in China.
Not Pakistan

k5
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keithw
10-09-09 06:24.06 - Post#1953808    

Thanks to everyone for the helpful info. Since many people consider Chinese knives disgusting, there's not a lot of information out there for them.

I've followed this post, but I could have missed it; does anyone have anything to say about the Boker Bonsais? I bought a Copperhead about 18 months ago, and it is a beast! Sharpens well, holds a great edge and seems to have great F & F. I would like to know if they are made in the RR factory too.

Thanks
Keith
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HBlaine
10-09-09 09:22.25 - Post#1953916    

While I can't help with where they're made, I can say that I've heard good things about the Chinese-made Bokers. Sort of akin to what's said about the Chinese-made Bucks. Good quality, decent price. Sounds like you got a good one.
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k5
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10-09-09 15:58.32 - Post#1954066    

Keith,

I have been looking at the Boker "plus" series of
old time looking slip joints with badge shields.
I have a feeling that they may be made by RR, or
maybe by the folks who make the Chinese Kissing Crane. I know that Hallmark Cutlery does the KC,
and I looked on Hallmark web site - NO info about
Boker Plus, so I don't know.

I have seen a $15 fixed blade marketed by RR and
Boker that looks identical. It has 2 shades of wood in the handle, dark near the guard and light
burl for the rest of the handle.

I don't think Boker would put their name on something that is just really bad.

Welcome to forum.

k5
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brianWE
10-09-09 16:04.03 - Post#1954071    

  • Quote:
I don't think Boker would put their name on something that is just really bad.



I have no direct experience...but I think I have read that some of their South American models weren't up to the standard of German ones.
"Bokermatic" comes to mind.
Brian W Edginton
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I didn't write it...you did.




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wstwood
10-09-09 18:08.25 - Post#1954112    

Well my test of the edge holding ability of the RR knife is over. The RR wins. Decent steel too!

What a package!

Under $10 and not radioactive.

Looks good.

Good F&F

good W&T

As I been saying, best bang for the buck out there.

I am impressed and I have another dozen knives on the way.
"When all other rights have been taken away, the right of rebellion is made perfect."

Thomas Paine.

Ice_Tigre
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Ice_Tigre
10-10-09 00:54.57 - Post#1954202    

mine finally came in, a great red bone copperhead, and one from the new outdoorsman series, in smooth brown bone thats absolutely gorgeous!

Red;


Brown;


Together;


The brown one is 3-3/4" closed.

I gotta take a couple more pics outdoor later today, and get a short pattern review together later since these are my first copperheads. Great fit on both, no backside gaps, and fabulous scale to bolster transition!(that being my pet peeve; being able to feel a corner where passing a finger over the edge of that transition).

Got this one from RR too, but its a little off topic for this forum



G.
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dalee
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10-10-09 01:45.56 - Post#1954233    

Hi,

I've got a jigged brown bone Copperhead just like your red one Ice_Tigre! Great little "desk" knife for opening letters and such. Well made and fun to boot!

As kind of an additional thought about inexpensive quality. Colonial slippies, while no longer available new, were often considered just like RR, SW, and Frost today. They were often put down and derided by knife knuts. While the F&F of the fake crimped on plastic scales and bolsters gave them an air of cheapness, the plain carbon steel blades were as good as the best Case CV or Camillus Carbon V.

One of my favorites:


I rescaled it in Whitetail antler because the plastic was damaged. It's now one of my favorite EDC's. Best part is there is still a lot of them around to be had. And can be had for the same or less money as my RR's. So check them out the next time you may be trawling the auction sites or garage sales. Go a little retro!

dalee
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wstwood
10-10-09 02:55.49 - Post#1954277    

OK so I went to sharpen my RR congress.

All that whittling and still some edge left.

I took out sandpaper, 80 to 2000 grit and my strip hone.

Theats when I decided "What the hell" and took her to the black compound.

After awhile the blade was sharp.

I took it to the green compound.

After awhile of this the blade was as sharp as it had ever been!

I am impressed.
"When all other rights have been taken away, the right of rebellion is made perfect."

Thomas Paine.

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2xTap
10-10-09 03:28.50 - Post#1954295    

Ice,

Nice haul bud! I'm kinda partial to that Copperhead pattern. I got a bunch of those from various makers......a nice pattern and Rough Rider does a good versions of it. Look forward to your review.

wstwood,

Good to hear it withstood your testing. In my own uses I have been happy with their steel as well. And they do sharpen up pretty easy and you can get them scary sharp with little effort.

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wstwood
10-10-09 04:04.43 - Post#1954309    

I am going to consolidate my RR holdings when my new knife carrier gets here.

I keep thinking of putting these up ion my store, but I keep throwing them at my collection.

Quite a bit of quality for a little price.
"When all other rights have been taken away, the right of rebellion is made perfect."

Thomas Paine.

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HBlaine
10-10-09 04:32.16 - Post#1954322    

I keep looking at the stacks of knives I have here, and keep thinking that I still have those Owl Heads coming... yeesh!

I thought about selling some of mine, but they're just too nice a knives to part with!
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2xTap
10-10-09 05:06.57 - Post#1954333    

  • HBlaine Said:
I keep looking at the stacks of knives I have here, and keep thinking that I still have those Owl Heads coming... yeesh!





I hear ya bud, here's some pics of my gun bench I just took.....of the knives I have yet to to get stored away in their appropriate place. I just got some new knife cases for storage and I am slowly working my way to filling them.

Looking at my bench here, I still have almost half as many in my gun safe that are still in there boxes and not put in storage or display yet either.

I need to stop buying knives are start buying more cases and such.

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k5
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10-10-09 15:03.09 - Post#1954607    

Ice, Looking at the picture of the RR Outdoorsman
Copperhead, it looks like you have plenty of finger nail clearance room on both blades.

I got a couple of RR barlows in the Outdoorsman series and the nail nicks are REALLY close together - makes opening a little bit tricky.

I might try one of the Copperheads.

Thanks,
k5
k5
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10-10-09 15:13.22 - Post#1954618    

2XTAP,

Outstanding pictures of your bench/collection.
I enjoyed looking at them.

If you ever buy any of those hard cases for knives
with foam inserts and cutouts for knives, don't
store them vertically. Store them flat.

I had some standing vertically and the weight of the knives pulled the foam cutout down and exposed some sticky, nasty glue.

k5
k5
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10-10-09 15:22.52 - Post#1954622    

Wstwood,

you said "What a package!

Under $10 and not radioactive.

Would you believe that I actually worried about that about 6 or 7 years ago. One of my engineering buddies at work told me that Chinese
steel is probably RADIOACTIVE.
And me with a touch of OCD, it set my mind to worrying.
I think I am over that now. Ha,

k5
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2xTap
10-10-09 15:45.03 - Post#1954633    

  • k5 Said:
2XTAP,

If you ever buy any of those hard cases for knives
with foam inserts and cutouts for knives, don't
store them vertically. Store them flat.

k5



Currently I have none like that. I have a couple of these I use to store my most valuable knives.....



And just recently I ordered a couple of these.....County Comm Collectors Bag......these are real nice!

I also have a couple of Gerstner-like hobby chests I use for storage as well.

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wstwood
10-10-09 16:04.20 - Post#1954641    

  • k5 Said:
Wstwood,

you said "What a package!

Under $10 and not radioactive.

Would you believe that I actually worried about that about 6 or 7 years ago. One of my engineering buddies at work told me that Chinese
steel is probably RADIOACTIVE.
And me with a touch of OCD, it set my mind to worrying.
I think I am over that now. Ha,

k5




Well, they shipped us a massive ammount of toothpaste made from ethelene glycol (antifreeze)

I wouldnt put it past them.

I dont trust them mostly

But RR knives are a good thing.
"When all other rights have been taken away, the right of rebellion is made perfect."

Thomas Paine.

Ice_Tigre
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Ice_Tigre
10-11-09 10:06.47 - Post#1955057    

Well, that 3-3/4" copperhead turned out to be quite useful, and came SHARP!(as usual for RRers) Cutting truck fuel lines and filler hoses(bloody 1/4" stiff rubber...) for a truck body swap last night, and it did great. Although, as i suspected, the handle is a bit short for comfortable leverage in tough cutting.

Comfortable shape, especially using the clip blade, the skinner sits low enough to not dig the hand. Reminds me of my folding hunters, with a bit less curve. Me likes!

Gonna hit it with the buffer and green chrome compound(power strop) to smooth up the edge, and give it a weeks carry, see if that handle stays too short..

G.
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2xTap
10-11-09 12:00.48 - Post#1955164    

Ice,

Rough Rider makes a Larger Cooperhead if you are interested. Same pattern and blade design as the 3 3/4" version but comes a bit larger at 4 3/4" closed.

I have one of them and they are perfect, kind of like a slightly slimmer and shorter Folding Hunter.

Might want to give one of them a try.

2xTap

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Ice_Tigre
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Ice_Tigre
10-11-09 19:22.28 - Post#1955367    

Yeah, might have to,

But I got one of their 4" folding hunters here to try next. In theory, it should be the perfect middle ground, long enough to grip good, but not too big to pocket.

4-1/8" trappers and moose are great, so I'm hoping that 4" is close enough. Its amazing how a measly 1/4" or 3/8" can make this much difference. Makes me feel really too picky.

Then again, if i have the options available to be this picky, i might as well do it.

G.
Gary Blessing
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k5
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10-13-09 13:00.39 - Post#1956659    

OK, so I ordered me some of those Smith&Wesson
Buffalo handled Pen knives I had been thinking about for a while. I don't expect them to be outstanding cutters, but I really like the pattern.

I also ordered a RR large congress in Tobacco Smooth bone (Outdoorsman Series) This one ought to be sharp from the git-go,,, all 4 blades.

I also ordered a Colt fixed blade hunter with Zebra wood handle just for the heck of it.

shud be here Wed or Thur.,,,, I will report later.

k5 ( and yes I meant buffalo horn )
k5
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10-20-09 11:32.06 - Post#1962035    

My order came in.

The Smith & Wesson Buffalo handle pen knives are
fine. Nice looking, edge grinds pretty good, nail nicks all easily accessable. They are just fun little EDC knifes for LIGHT duty - well they
are for sharpening pens and pencils.
The back springs are about like a Case, but QC
not up to Case.

The RR 4" congress is sturdy, solid and sharp.
Looks OK. My only complaint is that the nail nicks are too close on one side making those two blades difficult to open - I should have known.

The little Colt hunter with Zebra wood handle is
very nice. I can't say that it would actually work as a using hunter, but I don't hunt anymore.
Just bought it because it looked nice.

adios
k5
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2xTap
10-21-09 08:36.41 - Post#1962725    

k5,

Sounds good, you got a slew of decent blades there. How's the fit gap wise in your S&W's?

And where's the pics?

2xTap
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k5
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10-21-09 14:27.35 - Post#1963030    

2xTap,

The fit gap-wise is pretty good. I only got 3 of them, and 2 were perfect ( looking at the spine )
One had little glitch - one of the brass liners got buggered up for about 3/8" and they went ahead and assembled the knife, which leaves a little wiggle type gap in tht 3/8" spot.
A little more and it would have looked like custom filework on the spine- haha

They are darn pretty knives - the horn looks nice, and the blades are pretty sharp.

One of them has an ALMOST too weak backspring, but I can live with that.

These little pen knives were retail at 20bux and I got them or 7bux each.

They would make nice gift knives, but most of my
men gifts are young guys who prefer thumb stud infested liner locks.

The RR rider Congress is built like a friekin tank. Looks like it could do some hard work.
4" large congress in the Outdoorsman series -
tobacco smooth bone.

I'll have to work on some pics.

k5
k5
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10-21-09 14:38.02 - Post#1963039    

These pics borrowed from ebay listings

k5
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2xTap
10-23-09 16:51.06 - Post#1964839    

k5,

Sounds like you got some good ones from S&W. Good deal!

And that's cheating.....you're supposed to post your own pics!!!

2xTap
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k5
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10-24-09 15:33.07 - Post#1965514    

he he, you caught me.

I do have a LAZY streak in me when it comes to
running pics thru the system. I think I need me
a new USB cable so I can load 'em to my puter
a little quicker.

k5
k5
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10-24-09 15:40.12 - Post#1965523    

BTW,, SMKW is running a little special thru
October 26 ( I think )

They have some price reductions on those
Buck canoes,,smooth bone and on a couple
RR and on some Schrades.
I got an e-mail from SMKW advising me of
the specials. I don't know if it shows up
on their home page or not
k5
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2xTap
10-25-09 04:49.28 - Post#1965800    

k5,

I was just one SMKW's and looked at the new Buck Canoes. Didn't noticed any price reductions on them but they are pretty inexpensive to begin with. They are listed at $14.99 for the smooth bone ones right now, not sure of their price when they were originally listed.

2xTap
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2xTap
10-25-09 09:29.53 - Post#1965917    

Here's a couple I just recently got. These are two new patterns added to the most recent Colt Signature Series. Both are 3 1/2" closed Gunstocks and are imports......from my understanding SMKW's is having these made by the same people who build the Rough Riders. But if these two are any example these are built way better than any RR I own. Matter of fact these are the best built Chinese slip's I own or have ever handled.

As mentioned they are 3 1/2" closed, scales are Brown Jigged bone but look more like a Amber Bone. These sport the fancy angled bolsters which are made of nickle/silver and are grooved with the big Colt "C" stamped on the pivot end bolster. Liners and pins are brass. Scales have the Colt prancing pony shield. These knives are mirror polished inside and out, and the polish is flawless.



While the same pattern the difference is in the blades. The first is set-up with a single Saber-type blade sporting dual pulls, one long and the other a short nail-nick along the Clip section of the blade. The second knife done in a more conventional 2-Blade setup with a Spear master blade and a Pen secondary. The blades on both Gunstocks have impeccable grinds and swedges, and extremely sharp edges that are evenly ground. The single blade version also has a blade of noticably thick stock, especially compared to the two blade version. The fit all around on both of these is totally gap-free.................



The F&F on both had surpised me on a couple of levels. These knives are put together like they were made by Queen or GEC. They are that good. And they have nicely stout backsprings with half-stops, but the blades open so smooth you don't notice the half-stops until they pop into position. Gap-free fit, flawless polish, shaving sharp edges, blades sans any play, stout backsprings, beautifully finished bolsters, gorgeous jigged bone scales fitted seamlessly........these knives are built on a level I have not seen on anything from China ever.

Matter of fact, if the tangs didn't have "China" stamped on them you'd swear these were made here by likes of Case, Queen, CSC, Northwoods, or even GEC. I ain't kidding!

On top of that each knife came in a nicely built dispaly box that is foam lined and cut out with a felt like surface, and the lid is magnetically closed. Real nice.........



I picked these up from a dealer over on Ebay for $21.99 each......for imports this is a bit pricey. But for the level of quality these are at it is well worth it. I just can't get over how well built these things are. I have a ton of import slipjoints from the likes of Rough Rider, Marbles, Kissing Crane, and even another Colt Signature Series from a previous run. And quite a few of these are of incredible quality given their price. But these newer Colt's are even better yet.

I highly recommend these for anyone looking for a inexpensive slipjoint.

2xTap
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dalee
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10-25-09 10:31.31 - Post#1965960    

Hi,

Those are two very nice ones you have. I'm such a sucker for long pulls and swedges. While I really like the slanted bolsters, the embossed C is a bit busy for my taste. I kind of prefer a cleaner traditional look. Still, I wouldn't turn either one of these away.

The one thing I generally don't like about the jigging on Chinese knives is the "machine made" look about them. But the scales on these Colt's look very, very well done indeed.

I'm beginning to believe we live in a Golden Age of traditional slip-joints.

dalee
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keithw
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keithw
10-25-09 13:22.13 - Post#1966062    

Hi guys,

I really appreciate this link. It inspired me to try a couple of RRs, and I'm really surprised. Below is a stag canoe and a black pearl, both seem to be great!

Thanks!!
Keith
k5
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10-25-09 13:22.56 - Post#1966063    

2xtap,

You have got my blood up for those new Colt gunstocks in the new signature run - sounds real
good. I did a quick check on ebay, and found only
one source for these knives. SMKW did not have them at all ( I cud not find them ).

ON that special price Buck Smooth bone, they were
reduced to $7.87 each - the red, amber, and the white. If you wanted some of them,,, the sale runs thru Oct 26,,,, just put em in your cart and
at check out enter the Coupon Code of CCOCT25T.
( at SMKW )

k5
k5
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10-25-09 13:25.55 - Post#1966065    

Glad to have you aboard Keith.

Glad you got a couple of good RR to start with.


k5
dalee
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10-25-09 13:46.27 - Post#1966077    

Hi,

Have a hearty welcome from me also! Canoes are one of my favorite patterns. I've been kind of itching to get a RR in pearl. I think the black pearl is one of RR's nicest scales. If you get a chance, check out RR's mini canoe in sawcut bone with fluted bolsters. I've got one and it's like a lovely little piece of jewelry. An excellent dress slippie.

Just be careful RR's are like a gateway drug into slip-joints!

dalee
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wstwood
10-25-09 17:10.43 - Post#1966211    

Tell me about it! I have almost 70 of them now!!
"When all other rights have been taken away, the right of rebellion is made perfect."

Thomas Paine.

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2xTap
10-26-09 09:36.46 - Post#1966694    

keithw,

Welcome to the board! Glad my thread was helpful.

k5,

SMKW's carries this series but they have only shown the Gunstocks from this run on their "Knives Live" show. They apparently sold out of these quick.

dalee & wstwood,

Yup, for what they cost and the quality you get the RR's tend to build up quick in the collection if you ain't careful.

2xTap
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Challenger
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10-29-09 13:49.01 - Post#1969168    

Few months back I opened this topic and bought a knife. I opened it again this afternoon and then ordered the Colt Gunstock...stop it!

I ordered the single blade gunstock. I hope it turns out to be a nice one. In the past my only complaint about a singe blade folder of this size is that I found the handles too thin. The thick blade sold me on this one and I hope the handle thickness is to my liking.

Challenger
Challenger
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10-29-09 19:59.45 - Post#1969321    

  • 2xTap Said:











2xTap



I've looked at these photos a couple times and I have to ask if the handles are really bone or something that came out of a mold? If you look at the detail of the jigging it's identical on both knives.

Do you see it?

Challenger
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brianWE
10-30-09 07:33.25 - Post#1969685    

Certainly is similar.

Not sure it is identical, though.

Sure is intriguing, though.
Brian W Edginton
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I didn't write it...you did.




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2xTap
10-30-09 08:45.05 - Post#1969741    

Challenger,

If yours is anything like mine you are going to like it.

No surprise really that the jigging on both sides of each are nearly identical to one another.....these ain't the only knives I've seen or own that are like this. They are likely jigged by machine using a template. The biggest variance you are likely to see in these is the dye of the bone.

2xTap
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bjf41
10-31-09 12:18.25 - Post#1970499    

  • Challenger Said:
Few months back I opened this topic and bought a knife. I opened it again this afternoon and then ordered the Colt Gunstock...stop it!

Challenger



You are not alone. A lot of us fall to the temptaion of this thread, and to others as well. Maybe we should start a support group.

I have not even looked at my RR lately. I think I need to go get that case out.
Bill



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wstwood
10-31-09 13:02.54 - Post#1970513    

I got out the 72 piece RR case today. I am pulling a QC inspection on them (again) tomorrow.

Also rearranging them into a better filing system.

These things are neat!
"When all other rights have been taken away, the right of rebellion is made perfect."

Thomas Paine.

k5
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10-31-09 15:23.58 - Post#1970595    

In my last order I got a RR LARGE Congress, 4 blds
Outdoorsman Series with the Acorn shield.

I've been playing with it some. This thing is a brute. Strong and solid, and sharp. I even got it loosened up so I can open all 4 blades without
any trouble.

Now I'm interested in hearing from anyone who bought any of the new Taylor Cutlery Hammerbrand stuff. It looks pretty good.

k5
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2xTap
11-01-09 03:38.57 - Post#1970837    

wstwood,

They are aren't they! You can have a whole slew of them for the price of a couple of GEC's.

k5,

Haven't got any of the new import Hammer Brand stuff yet. I want to get the their Cotton Sampler, just haven't got around to it.

2xTap
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wstwood
11-01-09 03:51.58 - Post#1970853    

I dunno. I may have lost my mind. But I love the RR's.

The price, build, quality and style are all in line with a good knife.

Out of almost 70 of them, I have no real complaints.

However, in light of not letting the commie chinese off the hook too easy I am going to inspect them again.

If on final inspection I find a lemon I missed I will sell the whole lot and be done with it!

NOT!

Gotta love these little jewels.
"When all other rights have been taken away, the right of rebellion is made perfect."

Thomas Paine.

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2xTap
11-01-09 03:57.18 - Post#1970861    

wstwood,

LOL.......you almost had me there.

I gotta few RR's with some faults. None with anything major, just some F&F issues mostly. But for the cost they are damn hard to beat.

What's nice is getting one for under $10.00 and finding it flawless. Those are the ones I really enjoy.

2xTap
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wstwood
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wstwood
11-01-09 04:26.56 - Post#1970878    

I have a bunch that are as flawless as any Case knife you know.

I give the knives with small flaws away.

The knifeless people I give them to know nothing of flaws and think they got a great deal (they did)

And like you said, for around $10 you just cant go wrong.

Of all the RR's I own, I only know of one with a flaw bad enough to disqualify it and a regular person would never see it.
"When all other rights have been taken away, the right of rebellion is made perfect."

Thomas Paine.

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2xTap
11-01-09 04:52.02 - Post#1970914    

wstwood,

It's one thing I had noticed on these ever since I started getting these RR's years ago. Despite their cheap price their QC has remained good enough despite the numbers they produce that while some flaws get through I have yet have had one that had any flaw that would make me return it.

For me, that says alot.

2xTap
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wstwood
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wstwood
11-01-09 05:26.46 - Post#1970941    

No. Small gaps in the liners, blades that touch a bit, scales that do not fit right. These are the flaws I see.

Return a $10.00 knife? I dont think so. The worst one I had I gave to a friend for his then 6 year old son. The kid does not know the difference.
"When all other rights have been taken away, the right of rebellion is made perfect."

Thomas Paine.

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bjf41
11-01-09 07:32.49 - Post#1971031    

  • 2xTap Said:
wstwood,

What's nice is getting one for under $10.00 and finding it flawless. Those are the ones I really enjoy.

2xTap



I have gotten a few of them. You are right. It makes you feel real good when it happens. And kinda mad when you pay $50 for a Case that isn't as nice.
Bill



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2xTap
11-01-09 11:36.10 - Post#1971216    

wstwood,

That's the flaws I pretty much see as well.

bjf41,

Yup, I agree.

2xTap
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wildcat
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11-01-09 13:58.45 - Post#1971332    

if they made them in carbon steel, i MIGHT buy one.
Wildcat Outdoors....
http://wildcatoutdoors.blogspot.com...

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wstwood
11-01-09 19:03.10 - Post#1971507    

Their stainless holds an edge quite well!

I like carbon.

Show me the same quality and price point.

If it is made of carbon I will buy a bunch of them too.

"When all other rights have been taken away, the right of rebellion is made perfect."

Thomas Paine.

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2xTap
11-02-09 09:45.18 - Post#1971939    

If they made them in Carbon Steel I MIGHT buy one as well. Thankfully they don't make them in Carbon Steel......so I have bought a bunch of them!

2xTap
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JohnG10
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11-02-09 12:31.17 - Post#1972038    

I assume the Case is $50 not because the fit & finish is so much better, but because the Case has much better steel and heat treat. Has anyone actually used a RR and Case enough to comment on differences in their sharpenability and edge holding charecteristics ? Also, do the backsprings on the RR's appear to be any weaker or less consistant knife to knife than Case ?
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2xTap
11-02-09 15:40.02 - Post#1972226    

JohnG10,

In my experience between the two I find little difference in the edge holding of Case's "Tru-Sharp" Stainless (420HC) and Rough Rider's 440A. Same to with their ability to be sharpened, though Case's "Tru-Sharp" seems to take a little more work if let to really dull up.

Rough Rider does seem to not be as consistant with the stoutness of their backsprings among same patterns. They are variances that don't affect performance, but noticable differences when compared to similar pattern Case knives.

Case is definitely more consistant in overall F&F as opposed to Rough Rider, but then it's a marginal thing......and at hugely different price points.

2xTap
"Knives and Flashlights are like Guns....you can never have too many!"

Ice_Tigre
What are you lookin' at?

Ice_Tigre
11-02-09 16:45.15 - Post#1972294    

  • JohnG10 Said:
I assume the Case is $50 not because the fit & finish is so much better, but because the Case has much better steel and heat treat. Has anyone actually used a RR and Case enough to comment on differences in their sharpenability and edge holding characteristics ? Also, do the backsprings on the RR's appear to be any weaker or less consistant knife to knife than Case ?



IMO, the Case is $50 because your buying the name 'Case' and its USA made so they can gouge more above material/labor cost. (and labor to make them costs more here). But mostly, I think the difference is that your buying the name. (again, IMO )

I too find the steels are verry close, I'd say maybe a 10% increase in hardness to sharpen the True Sharp, if you let it reeealy dull. but in day to day maintanence, I can't tell any difference.

Edge holding time is the same too, at least in my EDC tasks.

I see them as equal in fit and finish. There are two flaws I see a lot in both brands, a slight hair line gap along a back spring, and bone fitment issues; a burr or hair line gap to the bolster. Its been a 50/50 toss up lately, either brand I've gotten, will have one or the other flaw..

FWIW, both of them slightly top the fit on the German imports that I've had.

my Rough Riders tend to be the stronger springs, yes, less consistent from knife to knife than Case, but still stronger overall. (I've found that Case in some patterns is consistently weaker springed than a lot of other brands)

G.
Gary Blessing
Just Another Traditional Country Boy

Challenger
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11-02-09 20:46.47 - Post#1972363    

  • 2xTap Said:







2xTap



I got mine in the mail today and I'm impressed. Your right 2xTap, the quality is the best I've seen and I think better even than our US made slips. Fit & finish is 100%, no gaps between the scales and bolsters, perfect walk'n talk. The China marking is very descreet and cleanly done. Very nice!

The blade sure is "beefy" but I like it because it makes the thickness of the handle feel just right.

Thanks,
Challenger
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2xTap
11-03-09 09:25.36 - Post#1972790    

Challenger,

Glad to hear the one you got is similar to mine in F&F.....they are very impressive for the price. Beyond what your typical RR or other import is. And while I can't say they are better than many of the US made slips I have, they are definitely up there in the F&F department.

And they have just recently added some new patterns to this line, 3 new ones that I have seen so far.....a Teardrop Jack, a 4-blade Railsplitter, and a wide framed Serpentine Whittler. All styled after Queen patterns. I am currently sitting on auctions for all three on Ebay at the moment!

2xTap
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Challenger
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11-03-09 15:35.38 - Post#1973086    

I challenge you on them not being better f&f than our US made slips...when have you ever seen a US maker match "stag" style bone scales on both sides of the knife? I've payed extra for hand selected US made slips that did not have the scales matched as nicely as this one. Considering the price of this one, I'm really impressed!
2xTap
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2xTap
11-05-09 08:49.59 - Post#1974515    

Challenger,

Well, if you look at both of mine you will notice that the dye is not identical on both. Matter of fact on the one the dye doesn't fade to light near the bolsters on one side like it does on the others. I wouldn't call them match, but they are close on the other. I have alot of knives like this or better.....and not just USA made ones either.

But they are damn good, that's for sure. Overall F&F wise they are as good as alot of my better USA and German made stuff.

2xTap
"Knives and Flashlights are like Guns....you can never have too many!"

k5
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11-05-09 16:38.56 - Post#1974889    

I have been bravely resisting the temptation to
buy some of these new Colt knives you guys have been talking about.

But I don't know how much longer I can hold out!



k5
wstwood
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wstwood
11-06-09 09:28.54 - Post#1975353    

I have been sitting on my hands!

I want the whole Colt series.

I am trying to convince myself I can not afford it.

So far it is working.

Temptation beyond endurance!!!!!!!!!!
"When all other rights have been taken away, the right of rebellion is made perfect."

Thomas Paine.

k5
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11-06-09 13:11.54 - Post#1975483    

Thanks, wstwood

At least I'm not suffering alone.

I'm also curious about those new Hammer brand
knives by Taylor Cutlery. They all look like
Schatt & Morgan copies too.

k5
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2xTap
11-06-09 16:20.05 - Post#1975638    

  • k5 Said:
I have been bravely resisting the temptation to
buy some of these new Colt knives you guys have been talking about.





Why.....it's not like they are expensive. Order a few, they are worth it. I highly recommend the Gunstock pattern, particularly the single blade version. It's very Schatt & Morgan F&W-esque!

Had my eye on some auctions for a few more of these myself. But a sweet Case Classic popped up that I wanted.

2xTap
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Ice_Tigre
What are you lookin' at?

Ice_Tigre
11-06-09 20:31.43 - Post#1975717    

I can recamend the congress and the peanut!

Reeealy nice indeed! a couple little flaws, but overall right at RR quality, yes even a bit better!

Damn, those are some sturdy boxes they came in too! And both mine came with a polishing cloth... nice touch that!

I realy wanted the peanut since the main blade is a spear point instead of the usual clip on the pattern- something I'd heard of on custom peanuts and have wanted to try. Its more of 3" than the peanut standard 2-7/8", and fatter too, nice in the hand. But the secondary blade completely blocks the long pull on the main blade, so its sorta hard to get a nail between them to get it open... I might file the kick on the secondary a little though...


I've wanted to try a congress for a while now and glad I got this one. Although, it's not four different blades- its two pen blades that are on opposite corners, that are identical. Plus a large sheepsfoot, and a large spearpoint. Is the congress pattern usually like this, or is it usually 4 different profiles?

I'll do a full review on these two after I have time to carry them, but I'm impressed!

Oh, and the 'stag' on the peanut does not match in jig or color fade on both sides. BUT the congress does match on both sides; although not mirrored or bookmatched-- The pattern is the same from left to right on both sides, ie, one side would be reversed if they were bookmatched..

G.
Gary Blessing
Just Another Traditional Country Boy

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2xTap
11-07-09 04:00.54 - Post#1975868    

Ice,

You picked up some too, good to hear they are similar to mine in F&F. They are doing a good job on these. I look forward to reading your review of them.

As to the Congress pattern, it all depends on the make and version. Some companies do 4 different blades, some 3, and some 2. Look at the GEC, most Queen, and H&R Congressess and you'll find them to have 2 Sheeps mainblades and 2 Pen secondaries. Case does many of theirs with a Spear and Sheeps for the maniblades, and the secondary blades are a Pen and a Coping blade. Then look at Bulldog and you'll find alot of their 4-blade Congress patterns have 2 Sheeps for the mainblades with a Pen and a Coping as secondaries.

It all just depends!

2xTap
"Knives and Flashlights are like Guns....you can never have too many!"

k5
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11-07-09 17:19.40 - Post#1976351    

I have 2 barlows, a canoe and a Large congress
in RR Tobacco Smooth bone ( The Outdoorsman series)

The barlows have that nail pull overlap problem,
and the congress has it on one side. I have not
tried filing the kicks a tad yet, but I might.

Other than the nail pull overlap, the knives are
all great. I really like the Barlows,( and for me
on a barlow the small blade is the one I use most )

The one large congress I have has impressed me more and more as time goes by. It is really built solid, and I have 4 good working blades.
I can get all 4 out without difficulty even with
a little overlap on one side.

I'm still waiting on the Colt Brown Stag Bone series,,,,,, I kinda think the "wide framed whittler(swayback whittler) would be fun.

dios,
k5
Ice_Tigre
What are you lookin' at?

Ice_Tigre
11-08-09 11:07.27 - Post#1976680    

Thanks 'Tap.
I'd looked at the congress before, from a couple makers, but hadn't compared them, and for some reason i was expecting 4 different blade profiles.

Gives a good excuse to get a couple more for hands on comparison.

Was just taking pics for my initial write up on the 'nut, thought I'd throw a couple up here. The peanut is more of a serpentine jack IMO, at 3-1/8" long. Quite a bit thicker than the average'nut too. Shown here with my EDC Case peanut.



Here you can see how close those blades are. If it wasn't for the swedge on the small one, you'd really play hell opening the main blade.



G.
Gary Blessing
Just Another Traditional Country Boy

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2xTap
11-10-09 10:15.12 - Post#1977964    

Ice,

Looks good, and I see what you mean about the overlap of the blade. I have never really been a fan of small pattern knives nor the Peanut in general.....but the Colt one has peaked my interest. It's slightly larger size and thickness might bold well for one to end up in my collection.

2xTap
"Knives and Flashlights are like Guns....you can never have too many!"

pickupman
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11-10-09 13:12.17 - Post#1978105    

Great knives, guys, if you don't mind having a hand in Camillus and Schrade closing up and Case laying off people----all by buying imports.
In buying many things, you no longer have a choice between imports and USA made. In knives you do.
wstwood
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wstwood
11-10-09 14:17.18 - Post#1978149    

I dont buy it. I still buy case and other American knives. It is just these little slip joints from Rough Rider that I bought a few of.

It did not eat any money I "would have otherwise spent on American made products".

"When all other rights have been taken away, the right of rebellion is made perfect."

Thomas Paine.

k5
Master Member KnifeNut!

11-10-09 16:08.12 - Post#1978241    

Hey

Schrade went out of business in 2004.
They had some management issues.
Some say they got screwed by Wal-Mart.
Their quality control was going down.
I have some "last" schrades that have poor quality.
I have some older schrades that were fantastic.
They had a wonderful thing going and it got away from them somehow.... I mourn it deeply.

Camillus went out of business in 2007.
Their quality control was in the dumpster!
I have some Camillus made knives that were made
in say, 2000-2002 that were just awful!
And their workers were on strike at the time the
company decided to fold. ???????
I also mourn the passing of the old Camillus.

I still buy Case knives. I have a bunch of them.
But at 50 to 70 dollars a pop, I don't feel comfortable carrying them around EDC.

So DON'T say that I had a hand in the passing of
Schrade or Camillus. They let a good thing escape from their grip !!

I feel for the people who lost their jobs in Ellenville, NY and in Camillus, NY.

Like I said I mourn for the loss of Schrade.

But do not tell me that I had a hand in it.
Thank you,

k5
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2xTap
11-10-09 16:58.13 - Post#1978278    

  • pickupman Said:
Great knives, guys, if you don't mind having a hand in Camillus and Schrade closing up and Case laying off people----all by buying imports.
In buying many things, you no longer have a choice between imports and USA made. In knives you do.



Yeah.....OK!

I've spent plenty on USA made slippies, a majority of my collection is USA made. They all get plenty of my money. Camillus and Schrade's woes before their doors closed was caused by mis-management and Unions.

But regardless......I always find it funny how people always got to jump into any thread that discusses Chinese made knives and points the blame at them for the downfall of American Cutlery manufacturers and yet you'll never hear a peep out these people on threads that discuss knives made in Germany or Japan!

Why is that?

Yes...yes...yes....buy all the knives you want. But if they are made in China it's YOUR fault Schrade and Camillus went belly up!

If you don't like them don't buy them. Either way it makes little difference. But this thread was not started so you can cry the same old story that's been going round for years. We've heard it all. You want to talk about the downfall of American Cutlers by the hand of the Chinese, please start another thread.

2xTap
"Knives and Flashlights are like Guns....you can never have too many!"

Ice_Tigre
What are you lookin' at?

Ice_Tigre
11-11-09 06:53.23 - Post#1978678    

Hmm. Seem to remember you making these forceful forays into this before. How about trying to actually discuss the knives, it is a knife forum, no a forum for you to vent on you political distaste of anything imported.

  • pickupman Said:
Great knives, guys, if you don't mind having a hand in Camillus and Schrade closing up and Case laying off people----all by buying imports.
In buying many things, you no longer have a choice between imports and USA made. In knives you do.


Most, if not all, of the knives we speak of here, the brand is owned in the US and 95% of the profit stays here, just the labor is out sourced.

Also don't forget in your preaching, this is an international forum, some of the people you're brow beating, very likely don't give a damn about supporting the USA.

Now, I'm gonna give an slight warning; an opinion is fine withing certain rules of this forum(which your bordering on realy breaking) but start thread flooding like the last time you posted this, and I'm banning your ass.

G.
Gary Blessing
Just Another Traditional Country Boy

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2xTap
11-11-09 08:29.55 - Post#1978764    

Gary,

Damn, I forgot about that. This is the same idjit as before.

2xTap
"Knives and Flashlights are like Guns....you can never have too many!"

Ice_Tigre
What are you lookin' at?

Ice_Tigre
11-11-09 09:59.40 - Post#1978862    


I didn't get it right off. I was seeing if I could add anything without repeating what you said, when the username finally registered with me...



G.
Gary Blessing
Just Another Traditional Country Boy

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2xTap
11-11-09 15:39.23 - Post#1979138    

Ice,

I missed it completely until you mentioned it.....his handle didn't click with me.

Shant have any more probs with him now, so our thread can get back on track.

2xTap
"Knives and Flashlights are like Guns....you can never have too many!"

wstwood
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wstwood
11-12-09 06:54.21 - Post#1979530    

I still need about a dozen more knives from RR to fill out my knife carrier. That will be 72 knives.

I give them away so I will get some extra when I order.
"When all other rights have been taken away, the right of rebellion is made perfect."

Thomas Paine.

2xTap
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2xTap
11-12-09 09:18.25 - Post#1979632    

wstwood,

Sounds like you got one hell of a collection of RR's going.......let's see some group shots. We need eye-candy!

2xTap
"Knives and Flashlights are like Guns....you can never have too many!"

wstwood
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wstwood
11-12-09 13:10.16 - Post#1979802    

I can sure give her a whirl tomorrow.

Pray we get some sunshine.
"When all other rights have been taken away, the right of rebellion is made perfect."

Thomas Paine.

Pennanngalan
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11-13-09 07:17.54 - Post#1980267    

This topic puts me in mind of a couple work knives my pops used when I was a kid. The humble Utica/Kutmaster coping knife. Luckily I found them for sale at SMKW here. Next time I order from them I shall have to add a couple to try out in my adulthood. From what I remember, they are great pocket knives...just hope the quality holds up to the memory

wstwood
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wstwood
11-15-09 08:30.01 - Post#1981590    

here is a group shot.

I still have a couple to file away.

I will get them tomorrow maybe.

I hope this works.

OH! This picture does not include the 5 I have in pocket today.

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11-15-09 14:52.21 - Post#1981873    

wstwood,

Nice! Looks like you have a knife tote like the one's I have.....with the folding sleeves. They are nice ain't they?

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wstwood
11-15-09 15:41.30 - Post#1981914    

Oh this is a sweet setup. There are 3 "books" that fit in a tote bag.

Keeps everything nice and straight.

Working on getting them into some kind of order.
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11-16-09 10:18.21 - Post#1982547    

wstwood,

Is your tote plain or a Case marked one.....I saw last Friday SMKW's had these on their show done over with the Colonel Coon brand as well.

They are a sweet set up. I'm wanting to geta few more myself.

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wstwood
11-16-09 21:32.30 - Post#1982936    

no names, Just a plain black wrapper.

They are great!

72 knives is a good start!
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11-17-09 08:38.28 - Post#1983296    

Well this thread caused me to pull the trigger on the two Colt's that 2xtap posted pics off. Good job guys!

Can't wait to get them , and I have to agree about the RR stuff, have not got a 'bad' one yet, and as my thumb will atest the Baby Barlows are SHARP.
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Navajero316
11-17-09 10:28.18 - Post#1983432    

It always puzzles me when people talk about imports and China is what comes to mind. Sure, we get knives from China, and sure some of it is crap, but a lot of it is really good. Not only that, Aren't Opinels imports? Opakis? Douk Douks, Mercators, Moras.....? How about SAKs? These are the absolute, without a shadow of a doubt largest knife manufacturers of knives anywhere in the world? Doesn't this mean they all ruined Camillus and Schrade? Of course not, but I'm just saying. China is the one place that is chosen as an "import", and it IS really old by now. Get what you want and use the crap out of it. Enjoy your knives. No need to be so uptight about things.
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wstwood
11-20-09 13:25.28 - Post#1985995    

I just ordered the entire Colt line.

I jump in with both feet.

I also bought a few case knives

I love my slippies!
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11-20-09 16:53.41 - Post#1986152    

wstwood,

The entire Colt line, as in every series? Or just the most recent line?

And what Case's did you get?

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Jvan
11-21-09 02:35.40 - Post#1986295    

Bill, I think that you are going to like those Colts, I'm anxious to hear what you think of them.
John

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wstwood
11-21-09 03:30.20 - Post#1986323    

Colt I got the most recent renderings.

Case I got a damascus peanut and a BSA Hobo.

I will definately let you know when I get the Colt knives, what I think of them!
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wstwood
11-21-09 03:31.57 - Post#1986324    

  • wstwood Said:
Colt I got the most recent renderings. There were like 12 or 14 knives in the line.

Case I got a damascus peanut and a BSA Hobo.

I will definately let you know when I get the Colt knives, what I think of them!



The RR's will be what I am used too I am sure.
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11-21-09 03:42.37 - Post#1986330    

wstwood,

I look forward to the eye-candy, and your thoughts of these new Colt's....especially when compared to your RR's. I think you are really going to like these new Colt's.

And speaking of Case, I got three new ones that have come in recently that I need to take pics of and post.....as well as a new Schatt & Morgan!

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wstwood
11-21-09 04:34.02 - Post#1986360    

I anticipate to be thrilled with the Colt line.

I wish I would have found them sooner.

I will try to get pictures. Right now the sun is iffy at best.

Maybe I will try to set up a light tent or something.
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11-21-09 05:20.49 - Post#1986405    

  • wstwood Said:
I anticipate to be thrilled with the Colt line.





If the ones you receive are built and F&F the same as mine, you will be.

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Jvan
11-21-09 05:47.59 - Post#1986419    

As I mentioned in another thread the Canoe that I received was unbelievable. The springs on both blades are flush in all three positions. I am sure that this is purely luck of the draw but for a knife costing $15.29 including S&H it is an outstanding bargain.
John

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wstwood
11-21-09 07:23.13 - Post#1986496    

With the colt knives, I purchased some patterns I have no experience with.

I anticipate learning if I like them or not with these knives.

I have a carrier all ready for them so they will not get mixed in with my other knives.

It is interesting to note that I got like 12 or 14 knives for just under $150.00 Such a bargain.

I have no clue why I am buying more pocketknives. I have enough pocket knives to last me 7 or 8 lifetimes already.

Good thing my loving wife understands (even if *I* dont)

On the same day, I bought 2 Case knives. They cost me as much as all those Colt knives combined!
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wstwood
11-22-09 18:26.21 - Post#1987743    

Well! Did everyone quit reading this thread of a sudden?

A few more days.

Then I will be in knife nirvana.

I love getting new knives.

It is almost spiritual.
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11-23-09 05:49.46 - Post#1988078    

Naah, just not much reason to join in.

I did get a RR doctor's knife with the brown saw cut bone handle and a S&W sheep horn trapper this past saturday though. Didn't think I would like sheep horn but it has grown on me quickly (as has the trapper pattern). I was VERY hesitant about buying the S&W due to the crap quality I have perceived in their tactical stuff (of course it might just be the tacti-kewl styling I dislike) but this knife is of a good quality and F&F is quite good.

As I'm just about knifed-out with fixed blades for awhile, I have started looking for some good user slippies I've eyeballed the new Colt knives on SMKW site and they look good. May have to get a Barlow and Canoe to try out.
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wstwood
11-23-09 08:05.05 - Post#1988187    

I have slowed down my knife buying too. I have gone from a lot of fixed blades each month to a few slippies.

I still carry my fixed blades though.
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dalee
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11-23-09 11:16.31 - Post#1988356    

Hi,

I've kind of slowed it down too. Had a pretty good summer of buying and now I just want to enjoy them for a while.

But several weeks ago I did pick up a couple of Rough Riders to try. Got my first Congress. The tortoise shell is very rich looking. Reminds me of a 1930's celluloid hair brush set my one Grandmother had.

And I got a Butterbean in RR's Malachite SynthStone. Pretty nice. Nice enough my 17yr. old Daughter decided Dad didn't really need that one so much.

It has a flaw that I find kind of funny. It's supposed to have file worked back-springs. They didn't quite get it right. It doesn't effect the use of the knife and I won't return it. Anybody else have examples of Rough Rider file work?



dalee
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wstwood
11-23-09 19:16.28 - Post#1988755    

that is funny with the filework.

Kind of an abortive attempt.
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11-24-09 09:40.00 - Post#1989205    

dalee,

If you look at the first page of this thread you'll see some pics I took of a couple RR's I got from the same run of Synth Malachite as what you got. Both of mine are of larger patterns so the filework on mine is more pronounced.

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11-24-09 13:20.57 - Post#1989409    

Hi,

Yep, I think that's what they were aiming for. But from the looks of the Butterbean they took and ground off some of the file work to make the springs fit the frame properly. As if the file work was done before being fitted to the knife. And then the grinding wasn't done straight or parallel either.

It's amazing that they even try to do this kind of work. Let alone get it right like they did on your Gunstock.

dalee
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wstwood
11-24-09 19:26.35 - Post#1989646    

I was playing with my Rough Rider collection today. I found 3 minor defects.

I think I checked out 45 knives.

Now when I say minor, I mean MINOR!

a slight gap in the backsprings being the most common.

The worst of it was a slight blade rub.

I love these things.

I can test out new patterns without any real risk.

The steel holds a good edge.

I have put RR steel through its paces.

Trust me when I say you wont be disappointed.

But I am looking quite forward to my new Case knives.

The damascus peanut is going in my pocket!

The hobo is going camping.

OK OK OK I will use the hobo at the dinner table to "test it out".

I am just loving my slippies.
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11-26-09 07:07.09 - Post#1990676    

wstwood,

Those minor defects you mentiuon are pretty much the majority of defects I find in my RR's as well. Small gaps in the backspring area and some blade rub here or there are about the most common of those that have any.

I've slowed down a bit on my buying as well what with the holidays fast approaching, but I will be kicking back into it soon. Just need to get my X-mas shopping done first.

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wstwood
11-26-09 09:24.35 - Post#1990768    

I slowed down too.

Too many sposibilities.

Have to fix my transmission.

No money left for knives right now.
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11-26-09 13:40.57 - Post#1990894    

wstwood,

BTW....has your Colt's come in yet, it has been a while? Unless you ordered from SMKW's, then you probably have another weeks wait.

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wstwood
11-26-09 17:16.54 - Post#1991017    

I hope they arrive this week.

I am excited!

I am also jazzed about my Case knives.
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k5
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11-30-09 11:14.35 - Post#1993363    

Ok,,,,, I jumped in with one foot.

I ordered me 4 o'them Colt Brown Bonestag knives

Gunstock 1 bld
Canoe
Railspliter
Swayback whittler

That shud fix me up for a while.

I hope mine are as good as the rest of them have
been.

Anyway - 4 decent knives for $60 total.

Up up and away we go!
Maybe it was 1.75 feet that I jumped in with.

k5

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12-01-09 12:05.25 - Post#1994169    

k5,

So far from what I have been seeing and hearing of these the quality has been fairly consistant with these new Colts.

Be sure we gets tons of eye-candy when yours arrive!

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wstwood
12-02-09 06:23.10 - Post#1994730    

for EDC you cant beat the RR pocketknife for value.

Price per pound is outstanding!

I love these things.
"When all other rights have been taken away, the right of rebellion is made perfect."

Thomas Paine.

k5
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12-04-09 15:05.45 - Post#1996760    

My Colts came in today.

Please see the Colt Signature thread
for my initial comments.

thanks,
k5
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Precise
12-08-09 10:13.15 - Post#2000011    

Having read through this massive and very informative thread I must try out some of these RRs or Frost. I kinda have my eye on a Lockback whittler from the steel warrior series.

Every try out the Boker Plus knives? I have this one
For 15$ it is super quality. Perfect pretty much. Except its a real nail breaker. It has the exact same pattern as the Boker Carver's Congress.

It has taken me a long time to appreciate this knife. I was against China knives for a long time and bought this one by accident really. I even refused to carry it after I learned it was made in China.

It took a while, but I came around. This thing is a workhorse and is one of my favorite whittlers. I like the spey blade for making spoons.

Anyway, check out the Boker Plus. You won't be dissapointed. (Although I'd stay away from Boker Argentina and Boker Magnum, I've handles these and really didn't like them. Those felt very poor)
k5
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12-08-09 12:01.20 - Post#2000090    

That Boker Plus that you linked me to is one that
I really gave some thought to just prior to my
getting the Colts.

I really like the looks of the Congress you showed. But I am not fond of nail breakers.

I wonder if anyone else has bought the new
Boker Plus knives?

Several years back I actually was worried about the China made knives being bad for one's health.
ie radioactive,etc
This was based on some comments made by my buddies
at work.

I like the RR and Colt knives and maybe soon I can
try out a Boker Plus.

All in all I still feel better about peeling an
apple with a good ole Case knife.

k5
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2xTap
12-09-09 10:53.03 - Post#2000948    

I've not tried any of the Boker Plus slipjoints either, none have really interested me as of yet.

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Precise
12-09-09 13:07.50 - Post#2001099    

Went to the local hardware store today and saw they had some Frost knives.

Picked myself up a Steel Warrior Peanut in manly dark purple. I must say, I like this little knife! I examined it thoroughly before I bought it. It was the first one I picked up and the one I left the store with.

I want to pick up some more patterns. Maybe their wharncliffe whittler or lockback whittler.

Where are some good places to pick up Frost or RR without going to fleabay. Many places seem to charge terrible shipping...sometimes its higher than the cost of the knife!
k5
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12-09-09 15:09.07 - Post#2001193    

If you act fast you can get RR and Frost at
Smoky Mountain Knife Works, with a shipping
discount. $5 on any order__
FREE on any order over $50__
Both these discounts are sked to end Dec 11,
so you have 2 days.

I am assuming that these offers run THRU the
end of the day on Dec 11 SMKW time(Eastern)

I think 2xtap may know of another place or two to
try.

dios
k5
k5
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12-09-09 15:16.38 - Post#2001200    

Precise,

I looked at your profile and saw that you are a
fan of SAK.

Coincidentally, a friend of mine gave me an old
SAK knife today.

It is 3.5" long, has lots of blades and scissors.
It also is red Delrin with a picture of an OLD
open-top car on it - like a model A or something.

It is in what I wud call very good condition.


k5
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Precise
12-10-09 07:42.51 - Post#2001784    

OOooOOoo! Is it a Grand Prix ? That there is a *real* nice gift indeed!
k5
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12-10-09 08:15.19 - Post#2001816    

Yes,,, It is a Grand Prix

I have been cleaning it and lightly oiling it.

This is a knife my friend has had in his pick-up
truck for some time. He just gave it to me
yesterday on an impulse.

He is an independent electrical contractor, so he
gets out and does a lot of swapping with different
folks on a regular basis.

Nice friend,,,

k5
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Ice_Tigre
12-10-09 13:59.25 - Post#2002125    

Nice score on the Grand Prix k5!

Ok all you R Rider fiends, I need a little help,
has anyone seen their 4" small hunter in anything other than the red jigged bone?

Its the same pattern as a 5-1/4" large folding hunter, just scaled down to 4" overall. In other words, Perfection! I've been searching for this pattern in this size for a while.

Now I have the red bone one, and love it, but can't find it in anything else... It just seems odd the way RR seems to do the whole line in every new bone/color, to only find this one pattern in just one color.

Yup, I know the copperheads are done in lots of handles, not just by RRer too, basically the same pattern... Close but no ceegar... that 1/4" on the handle and the slight shape difference do make all the difference.

The R. Rider model on this one in this bone is RR519


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12-10-09 14:40.43 - Post#2002185    

  • Ice_Tigre Said:
Nice score on the Grand Prix k5!

Ok all you R Rider fiends, I need a little help,
has anyone seen their 4" small hunter in anything other than the red jigged bone?

Its the same pattern as a 5-1/4" large folding hunter, just scaled down to 4" overall. In other words, Perfection! I've been searching for this pattern in this size for a while.

Now I have the red bone one, and love it, but can't find it in anything else... It just seems odd the way RR seems to do the whole line in every new bone/color, to only find this one pattern in just one color.

Yup, I know the copperheads are done in lots of handles, not just by RRer too, basically the same pattern... Close but no ceegar... that 1/4" on the handle and the slight shape difference do make all the difference.

The R. Rider model on this one in this bone is RR519







Ice Tigre I was over at SMKW this past Monday and looked for that same exact knife with a differant handle material, They didmt have any.
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12-10-09 16:24.59 - Post#2002256    

The frost steel warrior series has a 4" folding hunter in yellow delrin, but not identical to the RR.
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Frose
12-11-09 04:47.07 - Post#2002518    

Last week I received a whittler from RR and another from Frost. When they arrived the one from Frost was labeled "Steel Warrior." The one from Frost has a slightly nicer fit and finish but after using them for a week it is clear that the RR is a better product. The opening on the RR is just smoother and feels of a higher quality. It also came with 2 of its 3 blades shaving sharp while the Frost had none that sharp. Does anyone else have experience similar to mine? Or is the Frost I got kinda a dud? Neither of 'em were expensive so I'm don't feel let down or disappointed to say the least.
dalee
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12-12-09 05:21.07 - Post#2003343    

Hi,

I've got a few Frost's around here and a pretty fair number of RR's too. My observation is that RR's generally exhibit better fit and finish than Frost's do. And I think RR has a better heat treat to the blades. Notice I said generally.

I also think that Frost's/Steel Warrior line has made definite improvements in QC. 12 to 18 months ago I wouldn't have bought one. But I do consider them as good users now. Just not always a pretty as RR's. I would think you got one that isn't quite as good as it could be.

dalee
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Frose
12-12-09 16:27.26 - Post#2003771    

The F&F of the Frost I'd say is actually a touch nicer than the RR... the ones I got. There are a couple of things that make me like the RR better. Let me first say that these are whittler models and I actually got them to whittle with. I don't carry them with me. #1 the opening of the RR seems a bit smoother. #2 The RR is a little bit larger and the extra blade size helps a touch with carving (just my opinion). #3 The shape of the largest blade on the RR is a drop point while the Frost is a clip point. None of these are flaws....just preferences.
dalee
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12-13-09 02:49.15 - Post#2004011    

Hi,

Well, I will admit to having a bias leaning towards RR's. But I don't really see a noticeable difference in the walk and talk between the Frost's and RR's I have. My Frost's are quite possibly from an older batch. I wonder how our differing impressions are due to an improving QC timeline.

But you really need to carry those Whittlers. It's an awesome EDC pattern. And I think they are a perfect size in the pocket.

dalee
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2xTap
12-13-09 03:37.47 - Post#2004026    

I own several older Frost Cutlery slippies, some of them from the 90's. I also have a few of the Steel Warriors from their initial release as well as some more recent Frost Family Series Trappers.

The Steel Warriors I have are decent but the newer runs are of better overall fit and finish. My older Frosts are all over the place in F&F. The Frost Family Series ones I have are the best of the lot and overall F&F on these are as good or better than most of my Rough Riders.

That said, nearly all of my Frost stuff do lack strong backsprings where as most of my RR's come pretty stout with a few exceptions. Frost's Chinese built stuff has slowly become better but I have to say I like the Rough Riders much more. And while none of them always come perfect I find the QC a bit more consistant with the RR's. And the Rough Rider selection of pattern I find more appealing. They offer alot more patterns I like than any other import line.

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dtrain
12-13-09 03:44.22 - Post#2004031    

Rough Rider XL Stockman and a Couple of Steel Warriors! I think I posted these once before...I am not sure?
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2xTap
12-13-09 03:49.56 - Post#2004037    

dtrain,

Very nice bud. I like them Jumbo Stockies from RR. A real nice serpentine pattern. And that bone on the locking Whittler is sweet as well. A buddy of mine has a few of those SW Locking Whittlers, they are nice.

Thanks for sharing the pics!

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dalee
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12-13-09 05:41.29 - Post#2004137    

Hi,

Yes, very nice dtrain. Do you like that locking Whittler? That one intrigues me. I might have to find one for myself.

dalee
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wstwood
12-13-09 08:35.48 - Post#2004289    

How does the edge hold up on those steel warriors?

Are they comperable to the Rough Riders?
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Sithus
12-13-09 08:53.14 - Post#2004314    

I have a few of them myself. I acquired the white bone copperhead first, after that I was hooked. My favorites are the sowbelly lock back and the BIG stockman. The stockmans springs are super strong, you need good nails for those blades.


dalee
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12-13-09 17:41.35 - Post#2004727    

  • wstwood Said:
How does the edge hold up on those steel warriors?

Are they comperable to the Rough Riders?




Hi,

I've always thought the RR's held their edge better than my Frost's. But bumming around SMKW today, the Steel Warriors I looked at had stickers claiming the blades were tested from 56Rc to 58Rc. I tested a couple of my RR's at 57Rc and 58Rc. So if the sticker is correct, the lastest ones should be as good as RR's.

dalee
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wstwood
12-13-09 18:08.31 - Post#2004749    

Awesome.

I will look into that.

Thanks for getting back to me on this.

I am loving my inexpensive knives.
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Thomas Paine.

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Frose
12-14-09 04:47.34 - Post#2005021    

The Frost whittler I got had a sticker on it saying it was 56 to 58 rc. The RR was unmarked but came noticeably sharper. The edge retention on the two seems to be about the same.
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wstwood
12-14-09 05:27.05 - Post#2005057    

Yeah I had a WAG that RR's were around 57Rc.

I still cant get over the quality for money ratio with RR knives.

I know china has virtual slave labor.

I feel for them.

But it is a communist nation and needs to be viewed as such.

That they can turn out such quality is good.

I AM however in the market for a geiger counter to test these knives.

China has shipped us some pretty nasty stuff in the past.

Like toothpaste made with anti freeze. (deadly)

"When all other rights have been taken away, the right of rebellion is made perfect."

Thomas Paine.

k5
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12-14-09 09:17.49 - Post#2005300    

Yeah,,,,

I would like to have a gieger counter too.

Let me know how you make out.

k5
k5
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12-14-09 10:45.20 - Post#2005413    

Don't forget the Kissing Cranes by Hallmark Cutlery.

I have 2 of them and they are VERY well built.

A.G. Russell has been selling them, and speaks well of them.

I have the Swayback Jack,,, I think 2XTAP has some
pics and a review of these earlier in this thread

k5
dalee
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12-14-09 11:14.17 - Post#2005435    

Hi,

Do you have some pictures of your Kissing Cranes? I've thought about picking one up but I know nothing about them.

dalee
k5
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12-14-09 12:53.14 - Post#2005519    

I don't have any pics of mine.
I am posting a pic from SMKW.

I can tell you that they have ZERO lateral blade play, and NO gaps on the back/spine.

The blades are not highly polished like the RR.
And the ground edge is not the same as a RR.

But they are "using" sharp and they have even grinds.

They just FEEL solid.

I have only handled 2 of them total.
But like I said, I think 2xtap has one or two.

And it is true that AG Russell has spoken highly of them for their price point, and he still has
them in his catalog.

I bought mine exactly 1 year ago.

dios,
k5

One other: The handle color seems to vary from knife to knife,,but the front to back match is good on both of mine.
i.e. Amber can be almost yellow or it can be almost brown.
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wstwood
12-28-09 13:48.39 - Post#2017019    

Yeah, gotta get around to sampling KK too.

So many knives, so little time/money.
"When all other rights have been taken away, the right of rebellion is made perfect."

Thomas Paine.

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Ky Greg
12-29-09 12:03.10 - Post#2017696    

I purchased this Troublesome Creek today NIB 12.00 bucks. Anyone else have any experience with this brand? Seems like a pretty well built knife.


dalee
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12-29-09 14:22.35 - Post#2017749    

Hi,

I've been seeing them on the 'bay. They look a lot like RR's with the match strike nicks and blade shapes. They do seem like they have brighter scale colors though.

dalee
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wstwood
12-29-09 17:47.10 - Post#2017865    

Yes, almost festive.
"When all other rights have been taken away, the right of rebellion is made perfect."

Thomas Paine.

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2xTap
12-30-09 14:57.15 - Post#2018431    

Ky Greg,

I've been seeing them alot, haven't jumped at any yet but I have been interested.

How's the overall build on yours?

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Ky Greg
01-01-10 12:43.06 - Post#2019740    

2XTap,

I'm no knife expert by any stretch of ones imagination, so take this review as a greenhorns view.
I pulled 2 other slip joints out today to compare the Troublesome Creek with.

1. Imperial Schrade
2. Tree Brand Boker

As far as fit and finish, the TC beats the Imperial and Boker quite a bit, Boker was last because of a warped liner under the one scale that causes the scale to be misplaced slightly.

The TC has the tightest blades with virtually no side play. The Imperial is almost as tight as the TC, again the Boker was dead last with some noticable wobble (very very light finger pressure caused movement).

The TC has the best backspring snap of the three and in my very novice opinion the Troublesome Creek is a high quality import that is gonna save me a bunch of money because I can get a lot more of them for the same money I spend on a single big name knife. Boker had very soft weakly snap.

The TC has by far the sharpest edge out of the box than any knife I've owned to date, and although I haven't done any heavy duty cutting so far it does seem to be holding it's edge after all the box opening and zip tie cutting during some of our later Christmas gatherings. So I give Troublesome Creek two thumbs up!

I guess what surprised me more than anything is that my Boker is pretty much a piece of crap. I have no connection with TC and have nothing to gain by promoting them.
Like I said, I'm a novice, and I'm sure it shows. Hopefully I've helped.
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2xTap
01-01-10 13:57.33 - Post#2019799    

Ky Greg,

Interesting, might have to get me a few. I kept passing them by as they are one of many offshoot import brands that have been popping lately since the popularity of Rough Rider has gained serious ground.

Though it is odd to hear of your Boker having so many issues. I have a few Bokers and they are decent enough.....though I have to admit there are other better made German brands out there.

Thanks for the heads-up on your TC.

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Ky Greg
01-01-10 14:36.00 - Post#2019831    

No problem. I like my Boker, but until I compared it with another knife I didn't pay that much attention to the details. I wouldn't turn a Boker down if someone were to give me one, but I'm not for certain that I'd buy one when there are so many others like TC to choose from.
dalee
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01-01-10 15:18.24 - Post#2019866    

Hi,

I've been hearing about the hit or miss QC with Boker's lately. I've had/have two Boker's and they are both nice.

Thank you for the nice review on the Troublesome Creek. I'm inclined to look into getting one now.

It's beginning to look like we maybe in a revival period for slippies! More brands and more patterns. Gotta love it! Now if we could just get more plain carbon steel.

dalee
k5
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01-01-10 17:25.03 - Post#2019948    

I did some random whittling yesterday.

The Rough Rider Outdoorsman Series with Tobacco
Smooth bone in barlow pattern was the sharpest
thing I had.

k5
CRM_TX
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01-02-10 01:30.17 - Post#2020044    

I have 3 RR's currently, a muskrat, a lockback, and a canoe. I won 2 RR Copperheads on ebay last night, can't wait until they get here. I have always carried Case trappers, but lately I carry these RR's more and more, they do everything I need them to do, and I'm not worried about losing them or breaking them. For the price I think they are great knives!!
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2xTap
01-02-10 02:32.48 - Post#2020072    

CRM TX,

Welcome to the forum.

That's one of the great things about Rough Riders, their quality is such that they make great users but they are cheap enough that you don't worry about beating them up or losing them.

Though I do have to admit even though I really like alot of these higher quality import pieces and own dozens of RR's, I still carry a Case daily.

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Navajero316
01-02-10 02:44.02 - Post#2020074    

Do any major stores sell Rough Riders? Can they be found anywhere other then on-line, or is it just a "gotta look for it" thing?
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Navajero316
01-02-10 03:04.06 - Post#2020090    

  • k5 Said:
I did some random whittling yesterday.

The Rough Rider Outdoorsman Series with Tobacco
Smooth bone in barlow pattern was the sharpest
thing I had.

k5



How well do these knives hold their edge? Are the Comparable to Case Tru sharp, or maybe to Vic's steel?
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2xTap
01-02-10 03:12.47 - Post#2020094    

Navajero,

No major stores sell Rough Riders, it's pretty much an on-line thing......unless you live close to Smoky Mountain Knife Works. Not sure about where you live but around my neck of the woods there are a few dealers that go to the local Gun Shows that sell Rough Riders. But their prices are kind of high for these.

On-line is best any which way.

I recommend on Ebay to look at the dealer gyocom13p2d, here's a link to his Ebay page: KY Knives

Online stores I highly recommend Waxman Knife Works

And of course SMKW's

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2xTap
01-02-10 03:17.16 - Post#2020098    

  • Navajero316 Said:
  • k5 Said:
I did some random whittling yesterday.

The Rough Rider Outdoorsman Series with Tobacco
Smooth bone in barlow pattern was the sharpest
thing I had.

k5



How well do these knives hold their edge? Are the Comparable to Case Tru sharp, or maybe to Vic's steel?



Rough Rider knives use 440A stainless in their blades. The heat treat is good and I have found their steel to be on par with Case's Tru-Sharp in edge holding.....definitely a better edge holder than the stainless used in Vic's and Wengers.

And they put a wicked factory edge on the RR's.....most of mine have come razor shaving sharp.

2xTap
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dalee
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01-02-10 03:29.45 - Post#2020105    

Hi,

RR's are 440A and the ones I've tested were 55-57Rc, (3 samples). The ones I have I find to be better than SAK steel but not quite as good as Tru-Sharp. But I'm just making user observations. And I mostly free-hand sharpening so I don't have clue what angle I sharpen them at.

dalee
CRM_TX
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01-02-10 04:22.47 - Post#2020126    

  • 2xTap Said:
Navajero,

No major stores sell Rough Riders, it's pretty much an on-line thing......unless you live close to Smoky Mountain Knife Works. Not sure about where you live but around my neck of the woods there are a few dealers that go to the local Gun Shows that sell Rough Riders. But their prices are kind of high for these.


On-line is best any which way.

I recommend on Ebay to look at the dealer gyocom13p2d, here's a link to his Ebay page: KY Knives

Online stores I highly recommend Waxman Knife Works

And of course SMKW's

2xTap



That is the same ebay dealer I've bought all my RR's from. He has free shipping and is pretty fast too.
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Jvan
01-02-10 06:23.22 - Post#2020221    

Same place all of my Colts came from, great seller with excellent service.
John

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Life is tough, get a helmet!

Vive la Journeyman!

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Navajero316
01-02-10 16:22.24 - Post#2020609    

I'm thinking about getting myself the RR Barlow for my birthday. Just not sure what handle material I want on it. I'm leaning towards plain, traditional yellow, but some of the bones are real nice. We'll see. Anyone know if these are as durable as the older Case or Schrade ones? I hear the Barlow is a tough "working" knife, and I have never owned one, so with all the talk about how cheap but good Rough Riders are, I figured this would be a great chance to test drive one.
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2xTap
01-02-10 16:52.41 - Post#2020632    

Navajero,

The RR's are built very well for what they cost, and seem to be as durable as any other production slippie. You might get one here or there with a minor flaw but again.....these are knives that cost about as much as a meal at any fast food joint.

Just get one and try it out. They are so inexpensive that if you don't like it you ain't out much at all. Whether you get bone or delrin, the Barlows can be had for under $10.00!

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k5
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01-02-10 17:00.52 - Post#2020639    

I think the RR barlows are GOOD.

I bought one of their latest series -
The Outdoorsman Series with tobacco smooth
bone,, and an acorn shield.
I have the barlow the canoe and the large congress in this series, and they all are SHARP
and well made.
The canoe might be a good second choice to a
barlow.

k5
wigoy
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01-02-10 22:17.12 - Post#2020727    

Try any one of the RR Old Yellow series in yellow delrin and you will NOT be disappointed. Even if you paid three times as much for it,that's how nicely made they are,tough too.
dalee
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01-03-10 05:17.32 - Post#2020860    

Hi,

I just gifted a RR Barlow in brown jigged bone yesterday. The young man was ecstatic with it. It is a heavy-duty working knife. Built with beefy blades and frame. It should last him until he either loses it or dies from old age at a 100.

dalee

Edit: I can recommend those three sites for RR's too. Bought from all of them.
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Navajero316
01-03-10 14:04.45 - Post#2021229    

My wife is going to get me a RR Barlow for my birthday at the end of this month. She is going to sit with my three year old daughter and between the two of them they are going to choose one. I told them I didn't care, pick whatever they like. I like them all. This is exciting!!
Chief036
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01-03-10 15:03.12 - Post#2021275    

I guess it's finally time for me to post my feelings about RR knives on here, since I've followed this thread from the very beginning. First, a little background info:

I've been using and collecting knives since the '50's. I think I got my first pocket knife in '54, when I was 8 years old, and I haven't went a day since without a knife on me somewhere, and sometimes, maybe even 2 or 3. I've had 'em all at one time or the other; Bucks, Camillus, Case, Schrade, a SAK or two, and one or two I put together myself.

My FIL has been a knife collector since who flung the chunk. He probably has three or four hundred knives in his collection, and about 6 months ago he pulled me aside, handed me a slip, and said "Tell me what's wrong with this one".

I did a once over, couldn't find anything that stood out, so I looked a little closer. Still couldn't find anything. Very good fit and finish, sharp, good snap, and the jigged bone was right purty. Looked at the stamp on the tang, and saw "Rough Rider". Yep, it was made in China.

My curiosity was piqued to say the least. I did some research, and found Rough Rider's, and the new Marble's slippy's come out of the same factory, so I decided to do some experimenting, by putting these knives through some sure enough hard work, more than what a casual pocket knife would be put through. I bought two large coke bottles, a Marble in brown jigged bone, and a RR, with yellow delrin scales. These are big knives, 5 1/2" closed, with 4" blades.

To make a long story short, I used these knives. And when I say 'used', I mean used them for just about everything one could use a knife for, short of opening cans, screwing screws, or prying up paint can lids.

After six months of using these knives, here's my opinion on them: Best bang for the buck I've ever had in my years on this old ball of dirt. They stay sharp longer than what I expected, they're easy to resharpen, the fit and finish is first class, and they look good, right out of the box.

They won't take the place of my EDC Bob Engnath blade I hafted many years ago, but for anybody not so inclined, I suggest you can't find a better bargain, nor a better knife, than Rough Rider, unless you have a surplus of dollars burning a hole in your pocket, and buy one from a custom maker.

That's just the way I see it. Take it for what it's worth. I'll go back to my corner now, and nod off, right after I have another cold beer.
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2xTap
01-03-10 15:30.09 - Post#2021313    

Navajero,

Make sure when your B-day comes to pass we get plenty of eye-candy of your new toy.

Chief036,

Great post bud. I think many of us hold similar sentiments towards these particular imports. Quality near impossible to beat for the price.

2xTap
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wigoy
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01-05-10 00:01.00 - Post#2022482    

Chief, thank you for an interesting and well-written post.
As a European, I've got a range of knives from across the world,naturally the top American pocket knives and many of them I value highly. But with Rough Rider, I've not only found value for money but extremely consistent quality and finish and some excellent renderings of Traditional patterns.

This morning, the postman left me a small envelope from Texas, inside my newest RR Old Yellow Whittler. This is a proper split back Whittler, not the fat three spring cop-out that other companies favour. After washing it with detergent and polishing it a bit with metal polish I am astounded by the quality of the knife: no blade rub, no proud pins or shield,no wobble,no radiusing issues,strong springs and feels very nice in the hand too! Sharp as well. At around 11 of your US dollars plus postal costs it is more than pleasing,even if it were to cost three or more times this. The Old Yellow range has impressed me greatly, and I hope to find a dealer who will ship me the Lockback version, the Mariner's knife with that Marlin spike looks attractive too....

I enjoy the CASE knives I have and the Queen Cut, GEC and the various European knives I have but RR is well fit to join them on the appreciation table as well. I look forward to more posts on this and their expanding range.
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Ky Greg
01-05-10 23:47.23 - Post#2023429    

I thought I'd see if the quality of my first Troublesome Creek was a fluke, so I bought another. I went with a pop bottle whittler this time with the same scales as my other TC and I'm just as impressed with this one. Fit and finish is excellent along with nice strong backsprings and tight no wobble super sharp blades!

I'm also waiting on a couple of Rough Riders because I'm hearing lots of good things about them, so I thought I'd better give them a try too.




dalee
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01-06-10 01:50.56 - Post#2023477    

Hi,

I'm generally not much into brightly colored plastic scales, but I like these. I guess I'm going to have to check this brand out too!

dalee
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wstwood
01-06-10 01:53.48 - Post#2023479    

Yeah,

You just cant argue with quality.

I may find some day that my RR's are radioactive,

But barring that, I am sold.

Sounds like I need to look into TC.

I have not seen them at my suppliers, yet.

Nice looking knives you have there.
"When all other rights have been taken away, the right of rebellion is made perfect."

Thomas Paine.

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Jvan
01-06-10 02:57.37 - Post#2023524    

I have yet to try the Rough Riders or the Troublesome Creek knives but I have acquired ten of the Colt Signature series. My experience with them has been that the level of quality is as good as most of the major brand American made knives.

Based on other postings here it appears as if the China made knives have come a long way, at least those from certain factories. How does this bode for the future of knives mad in the U.S.A.?

While on one hand I am pleased that I have access to knives of this quality at bargain basement prices I am concerned what this might do to the domestic industry in the long term.

Anyone else have any thoughts or concerns along these lines?
John

"What one relishes, nourishes". - Benjamin Franklin

Life is tough, get a helmet!

Vive la Journeyman!

dalee
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01-06-10 06:50.41 - Post#2023695    

Hi,

I suppose one could write a treatises on this subject. But to me the short answer is: No more than the competition affects any other manufacturer in this country.

American cutlers, like Case, GEC, and Queen, seem to be aiming themselves at the high end of the market. Mainly knifeknuts and other demanding knife users. But other than a few models, like Case or Queen Soddies, they seem to have abandoned the casual knife user. And this maybe a good thing for them. They can't be all things to all users.

The Chinese have targeted the casual user. And they've been pretty darned successful at it. They are filling a void left by the loss of Camillus and Schrade. Two companies that were unable to change with the times.

I personally view this a another Golden Age for us slip-joint lovers. There is a bewildering variety of patterns and materials and price points for us to choose from. I say we enjoy it before it's gone!

dalee
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Ky Greg
01-06-10 09:11.37 - Post#2023830    

Don't get me wrong, I'm as patriotic American as it gets, but if I can buy 10 quality slips for what I would spend on one average USA built knife I would think I was crazy not to do so in my opinion. The Chinese blades may never be as collectible as the US high enders, but I'm a average Joe working man that can't afford to use or lose an expensive knife when I could have a dang near bullet proof 10 buck slip in my pocket. Besides the Troublesome Creek, Chimney Rock and US Classic are all designed by a good ole eastern Kentucky boy from what my knife dealer tells me, so really I'm supporting an American designed product.. I'm gonna buy all I can, while I can!

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Sithus
01-06-10 10:43.52 - Post#2023910    

Since I last posted, 4 more RR's have been added to the collection. The BIG Coke bottle arrived today. I have no problem with quality either, a Buck Vantage Avid arrived Monday.


Dave1960
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01-06-10 16:36.17 - Post#2024261    

I am by nature and necessity a CHEAP dude.

I got some GOOD old knives from my Grandpas' because they were in the garage and the vultures hit the house after he died.

I have more than a few China knives. Three RR so far, two Lady Legs in Faux Tortoise and Abalonite and a Canoe also in Abalonite.

I got a pair of Buck (one 372 Trapper and a 385 Small Toothpick) with red swirl acrylic (I think).

Also Winchester Medium Stockman.

Have a China Schrade (Bogus) 50th Anniv Trapper with filework and fancy bolsters, and HAD a China Schrade Stockman that got lost.

Point of all this is my test of a knife is will it go cleanly through 20# paper.

The RR all did VERY well out of the box. The Buck 382 does but the 385 won't. The Winchester won't.
The fancy Schrade WILL and the lost Schrade did.

I plum forgot all about Remington! I did copy this sentence:
"My only experience with china slips has been a set of three Remingtons someone gave me as a gift"
And I also have one of those sets. I could get two of the blades on a large Rem Stockman to slice paper but the main clip would not. I put the set back together and along with any other knife that won't slice goes in a garage sale bin.

I want a few more RR most of all a Sleeveboard Whittler, as I just ADORE Spear Point blades.

Anyhow I concur completely with the RR comments and the Buck comments. I have a USA Buck 303 that is not as good a slicer as the 382 China Trapper.

I think it has more to do with full flat or slightly hollow grinds on the 382 against the more wedge shaped grinds on the 303.

In fact I don't think anything is quite as good as a flat ground Spear. But the rather wide chord clips on the Lady Legs slice VERY good too.

The fancy Schrade is also either flat or slightly hollow.

I also have an older Frost trapper with white bone. It has "german stainless" stamped on the back of the clip and "pakistan" imprinted on the back of the clip. It took some work but it will slice paper very well now too. I have a greeen bone Copperhead that no matter what I tried would slice good so it's in the bin.

Jeez! Is this post long enough?
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Ky Greg
01-07-10 04:18.27 - Post#2024544    

Good stuff Dave1960..I enjoyed the read
dalee
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01-07-10 05:22.55 - Post#2024620    

Hi,

I'd like to see some pictures of your Remington's, Dave1960. I almost picked up a set of them at a sporting goods store. But I just couldn't quite bring them home. I wish I had now.

dalee
Dave1960
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01-07-10 16:10.23 - Post#2025212    

Remmingtons and Winchesters are my least liked cheap knives.

PT me and I'll send you one of each (and not the Rem with the blade that just won't get sharp)

I've been treated very well over at AAPK and would like to give something in return.
Chief036
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01-08-10 12:00.58 - Post#2025930    

That BIG Coke Bottle is a big honking slippie ain't it Sithus?

I'm having a ball with my two big coke bottles. Using the hound out of them, and they just keep taking any task I give them and ask for more.
Sithus
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Sithus
01-08-10 13:16.03 - Post#2025974    

It is very big. Just one more off the list of RR's I like.
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HBlaine
01-09-10 02:57.45 - Post#2026345    

  • Ky Greg Said:
Don't get me wrong, I'm as patriotic American as it gets, but if I can buy 10 quality slips for what I would spend on one average USA built knife I would think I was crazy not to do so in my opinion. The Chinese blades may never be as collectible as the US high enders, but I'm a average Joe working man that can't afford to use or lose an expensive knife when I could have a dang near bullet proof 10 buck slip in my pocket. Besides the Troublesome Creek, Chimney Rock and US Classic are all designed by a good ole eastern Kentucky boy from what my knife dealer tells me, so really I'm supporting an American designed product.. I'm gonna buy all I can, while I can!




There's nothing un-American about being frugal, or looking for the best deal you can get, particularly the way things are now.

I love my Cases (I'm carrying one right now), but I also use & respect my Rough Riders and Kissing Kranes. Good, solid, inexpensive, usable knives are as American as you can get, in my book!
CRM_TX
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01-09-10 05:47.04 - Post#2026516    

I got my 2 new RR Copperheads in today, one bone and one yellow handle. They are very nice and sharp right out of the box, just like the others have been. My 14 year old son immediately claimed the bone one LOL, the other is in my pocket right now!! Have a bone mini trapper on the way too, can't wait until it gets here!!
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2xTap
01-09-10 05:54.34 - Post#2026523    

CRM TX,

They are a nice pattern, I like that RR went with the German style of Copperhead. One of my favorite patterns I collect. I need to get more of them myself.

Have you looked at their large version of the Copperhead....they are real nice too.

2xTap
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CRM_TX
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01-09-10 06:33.22 - Post#2026559    

I have seen the larger ones, and they look really nice too. I plan to get a LOT of these knives, they are great for the money!! So I see a couple of the large ones in my near future!!!
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dtrain
01-09-10 12:36.16 - Post#2026867    

Well I love my Extra Large RR Stockman..carried last night along with my SAK's..

Dtrain
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Ky Greg
01-09-10 15:16.45 - Post#2027005    

I went looking for a RR whitter today but didn't have any luck. The only RR I found was at a flea market... smooth bone scaled copperhead pattern..price 32.95+tx!! I'll pass, and get two off ebay for that price.
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bjf41
01-09-10 15:28.37 - Post#2027019    

  • Ky Greg Said:
I went looking for a RR whitter today but didn't have any luck. The only RR I found was at a flea market... smooth bone scaled copperhead pattern..price 32.95+tx!! I'll pass, and get two off ebay for that price.



Maybe even 3.
Bill



k5
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01-09-10 15:51.34 - Post#2027048    

Agreed,,, you might be able to get 3 for $30+.

k5
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Ky Greg
01-09-10 16:36.40 - Post#2027098    

You guys are right, I may be able to get three but I didn't want to appear to be greedy!
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HBlaine
01-10-10 04:15.45 - Post#2027417    

Celebrating getting called back to work, I made a pass by Waxman's, and expanded my RR collection. Only picked up 3 new ones, down from the about 5 or 6 I initially had in the cart...
HBlaine
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HBlaine
01-10-10 07:27.25 - Post#2027579    

Funny, but I was just looking back over some of the older postings in this thread, and actually saw some RR's that I forgot I had! I boxed a bunch of my knives up, just to make some room on the desk. Now, I'm gonna have to go dig them all out again!
HBlaine
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HBlaine
01-10-10 07:51.14 - Post#2027601    

I really have to stop looking at all those "old" knife pics...

For the hey of it, I jumped over to Smoky Mountain, and got to looking at (of all things) Frost Cutlery, the Steel Warrior stuff. Well, by accident, I saw they were selling a Wharncliffe whittler... Then I saw they were carrying another different Wharncliffe whittler...

Well, one thing led to another...

Two Wharncliffe Whittlers, a one-arm Razor, and a little Canoe are now on their way to me...

Must...stop...now...
Ky Greg
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Ky Greg
01-10-10 13:45.44 - Post#2027910    

Here's the newest addition to the family. I'm liking the red scaled Troublesome Creek whittlers. This one was my "Sunday go to meeting" knife for the day.


2xTap
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2xTap
01-10-10 14:22.14 - Post#2027959    

  • HBlaine Said:


Well, one thing led to another...

Two Wharncliffe Whittlers, a one-arm Razor, and a little Canoe are now on their way to me...

Must...stop...now...



Don't you just hate it when that happens?

2xTap
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HBlaine
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HBlaine
01-10-10 16:15.28 - Post#2028106    

I think I hear a little voice in the back of the room going, "DON'T ENCOURAGE HIM!!!"


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wstwood
01-11-10 03:25.21 - Post#2028397    

  • HBlaine Said:
I think I hear a little voice in the back of the room going, "DON'T ENCOURAGE HIM!!!"






No?

Why not?

He would encourage me if the rolls were reversed.
"When all other rights have been taken away, the right of rebellion is made perfect."

Thomas Paine.

HBlaine
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HBlaine
01-11-10 10:20.08 - Post#2028776    

I definitely don't need any more encouragement to buy more knifes. I'm already in danger of this pile already on my desk falling on top of me!


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Ky Greg
01-15-10 10:12.33 - Post#2032489    

Guess I'm gonna have to order a RR online because I'm not having much luck finding any locally. I did however come across some US Classic slips today and thought I'd better grab me one. I'm not exactly sure what pattern you would call it(kinda like a mutant muskrat whittler), but I like it and it's right there with Troublesome Creek in price and quality. I really like the smooth orange bone scales and the blades are tight with no wobble and they snap like a steel trap. It's a keeper!






HBlaine
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HBlaine
01-16-10 14:30.44 - Post#2033548    

I just got back in for the weekend, and found a package from the good gents at Waxman, three RRs. A sawcut Doctors, a sawcut large toothpick, and a horn muskrat. Again, good, solid, working class knives. I particularly like the doctors knife. I've got an orange bone RR doctor which is a favorite, but I love it in their sawcut pattern.

Right now, I'm waiting for a couple Steel Warrior Wharncliffe whittlers. I'll see how they compare to the Bulldog Wharncliffe I just received. Seeing the Wharncliffe in KY Greg's post above, I see I'm going to have to do some more brand searching online!
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Ky Greg
01-16-10 15:00.01 - Post#2033580    

Ha! It is a Warncliff whittler....I thought that is what it looked like compared to the ID guide I looked at, but thought somebody would think I had lost my marbles if I posted that. I had never heard or saw of his design until now. Now I feel even dumber for talking my self out saying what I thought. Thanks for confirming this.
HBlaine
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HBlaine
01-16-10 15:06.43 - Post#2033589    

Hey, always glad to help! Though, of course, someone who actually knows what they're talking about will probably jump on and correct us both.

I love the Wharncliffe blades. They're great for just about anything you can throw at them. I'd never really fooled with them till I got a Case Seahorse Whittler, and fell in love with it. Great knives. Yours looks really good. A good catch!
HBlaine
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HBlaine
01-16-10 15:11.21 - Post#2033594    

In fact, looking again, I see I...well, half fibbed. Your knife is a half Whittler. (Two blades instead of three.) Cool knife, still!
Ky Greg
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Ky Greg
01-16-10 15:17.55 - Post#2033599    

Man...I even spelled it wrong! I swear, I'm a tad more educated than my post would lead one to believe...
I've carried this one today and I really like the feel in pocket. Only one negative that I notice is that the backspring pin on one side is not completely flush with the scale, not bad, but just enough to drive me nuts because I can feel it.
looks like it would be called a 2/3rds whittler since it has 2 of 3....
k5
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01-16-10 15:41.59 - Post#2033613    

Do 2 half whittlers equal a whole whittler



k5
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Ky Greg
01-16-10 15:52.11 - Post#2033620    

With present reasoning...2 half whittlers (4 blades) would only equate to 1 1/4 whittlers.....I think...
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2xTap
01-17-10 03:37.09 - Post#2033858    

Yup, that's a Half-Whittler pattern. Good grab Ky Greg, the bone on that one is sweet.

  • k5 Said:
Do 2 half whittlers equal a whole whittler



k5



k5,

2 Half-Whittlers would make a Congress!

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Jvan
01-17-10 07:44.31 - Post#2034059    

Just picked up a German 2007 Bulldog in imitation tortoise shell, 1 of 20.

Very nice fit and finish and the handles are rather stunning, my only gripe is the the blade is not centered, other than that a pretty nice knife for $26.00.

John

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Vive la Journeyman!

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brianWE
01-17-10 08:32.00 - Post#2034091    

That's a beaut

Is the blade problem apparent when it is open?
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Jvan
01-17-10 08:44.10 - Post#2034103    

No not at all. I am a bit anal when it comes to blades being centered in the closed position. All in all it's a nice knife, That handle material looks as if it is an inch deep.
John

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brianWE
01-17-10 08:55.41 - Post#2034117    

I know what you mean!
Traded a nice grand daddy Remington barlow. Had been re-scaled in iron-wood.
Was gonna be my EDC at home. After a few days, I noticed a slight warp in the blade. Had to look hard to see it. But I KNEW it was there. Gave it to a less critical friend.

I don't think the blade on your knife would bother me much, though.
Brian W Edginton
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Dave1960
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01-17-10 11:49.26 - Post#2034255    

Here is a pic of my two Lady Legs and one Canoe:
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These are to my way of thinking WICKED Sharp.
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bjf41
01-17-10 12:28.01 - Post#2034284    

I have a number of Rough Riders, thanks to 2xTap. But I haven't carried them. This is why. To me, when I have nice Case knives at home, it makes no sense to carry a Chinese knife. Do any of you think this way too. Or am I a nut all by myself. LOL
Bill



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brianWE
01-17-10 12:40.28 - Post#2034293    

We all have knives we don't carry/use....
But none of mine is unused because of where it was made.
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k5
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01-17-10 13:03.15 - Post#2034307    

One reason to carry a less expensive knife
( like a Rough Rider ) is if you travel over
a lot of hard pavement, or you have hard ceramic
tile floors at home.

On a lot of my casual pants, they don't make the
pockets very sturdy.

Or you could just accidently drop it.

k5
HBlaine
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HBlaine
01-17-10 13:54.05 - Post#2034360    

Here's my "other" Wharncliffe, the Bulldog. A great knife. I've been carrying it all weekend.
HBlaine
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HBlaine
01-17-10 13:55.38 - Post#2034363    

And a quick shot of the BullDog's blade, just for the heck of it!
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wstwood
01-18-10 05:25.29 - Post#2034748    

I took one of my Rough Riders out of my pocket recently. It was replaces by a case stockman in raindrop damascus.

I have other pockets and there are RR's in them.

I carry them for work and I carry a couple to give away to the unfortunate who have no knife.

Just call me the johny appleseed of knives
"When all other rights have been taken away, the right of rebellion is made perfect."

Thomas Paine.

HBlaine
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HBlaine
01-18-10 12:44.21 - Post#2035138    

And here's the odd knife story of the day: I lost a large RR Copperhead knife, one of the orange bone models that comes wth the belt sheath. Disappeared without a trace. I searched the world (or at least my bedroom, where I'd stored all the RRs) over, and I couldn't find it anywhere. Annoyed the wits out of me, but what can you do..?

This morning, I was getting ready to leave the house to go out on the road, when I bumped up against my nightstand. Knocked a little Vic Midnite MiniChamp I keep on the table off. However, a knife that small doesn't make a thump like this did. I leaned down, looked where it fell...

And, yes, there was the Copperhead, still in the sheath, laying right next to the Vic.

I have no freaking idea where that knife came from. None. This is not the first time something like this has happened to me. I'm beginning to seriously wonder about my house.

At least I got my knife back...
Dave1960
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01-18-10 14:34.33 - Post#2035245    

Here is a picture of my three:


The False Tortoise Leg is in my watch pocket and what I get out among sheeple.

They all get the kind of sharp that will bite you in heartbeat if you let it!
dalee
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01-20-10 05:21.55 - Post#2036576    

Hi,

I was going through my little stash of knives and I came across this one. A Camillus Camco made in China, (tang stamped PRC). It's chunky for a Peanut. But it's very well made and has made me change my mind about micarta scales. I wonder how they got the copper wire inlayed into the scales? I picked it up off of eBay sometime early last year. I still see Camco Stockmen once in a while.






dalee
Sithus
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Sithus
01-20-10 10:49.33 - Post#2036879    

Added another one to the collection. Large orange bone RR Copperhead. So big it comes with a sheath.


k5
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01-20-10 16:10.23 - Post#2037101    

I have enjoyed looking at the pictures, guys.

dalee - I have a set of 3 knives that look to be
very similar to your Camco.
I got them in 2004 with the brand being
Coleman ( by Taylor ) They were advertis.
to be AUS6 steel, and they seem to be.
I've had good luck sharpening them.
I have a large stockman, med. congress
and a pen knife - all with that same
micarta scale mat'l.

dios,
k5
dalee
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01-20-10 17:22.54 - Post#2037157    

Hi,

That's interesting k5. The little I've found on my CAMCO claimed 440A for the blades. But AUS6 is pretty much the same. All the CAMCOs I've seen were micarta with the brass wire in-lay. But the only patterns I've come across were the Peanut and Stockman.

dalee
k5
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01-21-10 15:02.13 - Post#2038031    

I will try to get a pic or 2 up in a day or 2.

You may remember Coleman was offering some BONE
handled knives back in the early 2000's.
I looked at some but did not buy.

I got these 3 Coleman micartas on a clearance for
less than $10 each.

I actually never knew that there was brass wire
in the edges of the scales until I read your post.
But they are there - just like your Camco.

Thanks,
k5
KeystoneKC
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01-21-10 16:17.49 - Post#2038106    

Ya' know, I wandered across this forum (and thread) last month after googling "quality Asia pocket knife". I got hooked on this thread, & decided to tap EBay & do a little research to add to the conversation.

I put a self-imposed limit of $10.00 each including freight, because..., well,... because I'm basically a cheap SOB. I've received (5) knives so far, including a SAK Tinker that I just stumbled across. It doesn't really fit this discussion, so I'll leave it out. Forgive the newbie for not knowing how to post pics, so I'll try to post a link when I can find one.

The first purchase was a Rough Rider RR690 4-blade Malachite Senator: EBay price $8.00. While I'm not a huge fan of the Senator, I wanted to get a feel for the overall quality of the Rough Rider label. It redeemed itself pretty well. Fit 'n finish was excellent; no mill marks, high polish finish, everything mated together exactly as it should. They even matched the malachite pattern surprisingly well from side to side. If I had to pick a weak spot, I'd have to say that the springs might have been a little stronger. They just didn't have the snap that I'd like to see. This may have had something to do with cramming four blades into this 3" slippie, or it may be the result of what the seller called "file worked backsprings". Maybe the smarter guys here could explain that to me. But, for the money, I definitely can't complain.

Door #2 led to a Chimney Rock Whittler: EBay price $8.22. Another nice piece. It's certainly a sharp looking knife (in my opinion anyway), and the springs have much more snap than the Rough Rider. Fit 'n finish exceeded my expectations. There is one spot along the spine where I can feel a very slight imperfection, but it's nothing that I can pick out by eye. It's a keeper.

Batting third is a Owl Head Cigar Whttler: EBay price $9.55. If I had to pick a purchase that I was disappointed in, this would be the one. It's not a terrible knife, it's just not on par with the other candidates. There are a couple slight mill marks on the back, and the faux pearl handles are just a hair smaller than the body. The blades are more stainless than polished, but the springs seem strong enough for my likes. It's grown on me a little since I got it, but I haven't yet decided it's fate. It may end up as trade bait

So far, my favorite is my fourth buy. A Boker Magnum Copperhead: EBay price $9.75. There is absolutely nothing about this knife that I don't like. It feels great in the hand, and the fit 'n finish are excellent. Out of the box, I believe it was the sharpest of the bunch so far. I haven't seen anything on Rough Rider's, Chimney Rocks', or Owl Head's warranties, but the Boker piece came with paperwork for a limited lifetime warranty. That wasn't something that I expected for a lower end piece. I can't say I've ever made a "defective" knife claim, but at least Boker gives the appearance of standing behind their stuff. I've been having a hard time keeping this one outta my pocket, so the others get a fair shot.

I'm waiting on an Imperial Schrade Stockman, a Kissing Crane Toothpick, and a Rough Rider Canoe that I landed. I'll try to post them as I get 'em. And I'm watching for bargains on a Marbles, a Steel Warrior, a Colt, and a Frost Family. Am I missing any?

Sorry for the long post.

Thanks,
KC

k5
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01-22-10 12:22.44 - Post#2038763    

Good to have you with us, Keystone.

Very nice post.

Keep up the good work.

You've got my curiosity going about your
favourite - the Boker Magnum Copperhead.

Thanks
k5
dalee
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01-23-10 11:40.16 - Post#2039442    

Hi,

I'm stuck in the house due to an ice storm AND being on call for the weekend. So, I was rummaging around and found my nice pilsner glasses that I thought were long gone. Sadly, no beer for me this weekend. But I also came across these. A set of Okapi's that I got from Ragnar several years ago.

They are slip-joints with an exotic flavor. Originating in Germany at the turn of the last century, they are now made in South Africa. Simple stamped blades and a simple external back spring. Along with the shape of the handles, the moon and stars inlay make for a fun, inexpensive knife.



dalee
k5
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01-23-10 13:09.18 - Post#2039501    

Cool,

I have yet to buy one of those.

( I don't have an Opinel either )

Ice storm ?? BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR !!

K5
dalee
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01-23-10 14:39.34 - Post#2039558    

Hi,

Yeah, the weather really sucks right now. I'm very glad I haven't had to be out in it working a roll-over car accident. Thankfully people are staying home.

Okapi's are just fun to have. They kind of got me back to enjoying pocket knives after many years of indifference.

They have plain high carbon steel blades. And they all have half-stops. Except the top one which really isn't a slippie. It's actually a kind of lock-back. But it has 6 separate and distinct stops as you open and close it.

You know, you really need to get an Opinel. My No.8 is an awesome slicer. Gets used a lot in the kitchen and it gets pocket time too.

dalee
HBlaine
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HBlaine
01-24-10 12:51.54 - Post#2040300    

Well, here's three of the newbies. Top to bottom, a Steel Warrior Wharncliffe Half-Whittler, in what they call "butter rum bone", a Steel Warrior One-Arm Razor in yellow composite, and a Rough Rider large Toothpick in their saw bone handles.

The ones I didn't have with me are the odd little yellow composite Steel Warrior Wharncliffe Whittler (with the amost waspishly thin main Wharncliffe blade), the "Frost Family" Canoe in Ram's Horn (really nice little knife!), a Rough Rider Doctor in Saw bone, and a RR Muskrat with Horn handles.

These inexpensive knives continue to amaze me. I keep saying, they aren't Case, but they're damned nice little knives!
HBlaine
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HBlaine
01-24-10 12:54.48 - Post#2040308    

  • Sithus Said:
Added another one to the collection. Large orange bone RR Copperhead. So big it comes with a sheath.





That's identical to my my "Mystery Knife" that disappeared and reappeared on me recently. Great (big!) knife.
Dave1960
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01-24-10 13:22.16 - Post#2040352    

My Rough Riders are far and away the best knives A: from mainland China and B: for the price I paid for them!

They will consistently slice paper where China Remington and Winchester regularly fail.

I have had pretty fair luck with China Buck however.
HBlaine
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HBlaine
01-28-10 14:55.53 - Post#2044338    

OH boy! Got the 15% off Rough Riders email from SMKW, and went on a tiny little binge. Added 5 more to the collection, three RRs and a couple cool-looking Frost knives.

Here we go!
HBlaine
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HBlaine
01-28-10 16:22.31 - Post#2044412    

And worse... Was just cruising Waxman's, for the heck of it... Saw they had the Deluxe 3 blade Canoes... And, well... I don't have one of those...

I do now...
SilverFoxKnows
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01-29-10 03:36.55 - Post#2044666    

My big ring-locker Okapi made a pretty showing last camping trip. Sharpens up quickly, is super light and the edge is unlikey to chip. What's not to like?

Frank
k5
Master Member KnifeNut!

01-29-10 09:47.45 - Post#2044929    

Whoaaaaa,,

Blaine is on a roller coaster ride down the
slippery slope of inexpensive knives.

Hang on, bud

PS: did y'all see the new Colt series in Black bone with titanium coated blades.
They really look nice, but I ain't ready to buy
a titanium coated blade on a TRADITIONAL styled
knife. you can see em at SMKW.

k5
Navajero316
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Navajero316
01-29-10 13:41.49 - Post#2045153    

  • Dave1960 Said:
My Rough Riders are far and away the best knives A: from mainland China and B: for the price I paid for them!

They will consistently slice paper where China Remington and Winchester regularly fail.

I have had pretty fair luck with China Buck however.




I have yet to try out a Rough Rider, but there is a reason for it. My China Buck Solo is all I need in a knife. I love the China Bucks. Made to the same, if not better standard then the domestic ones, blades take a crazy edge, and have the same legendary buck edge retention ability. I also have an imported Buck Trio and Canoe. Anytime I look at the Rough Riders and want to try them out, I wonder "Why? I'm all set!"

brianWE
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brianWE
01-29-10 14:02.24 - Post#2045171    

  • Quote:
Anytime I look at the Rough Riders and want to try them out, I wonder "Why? I'm all set!"



Who let him in?
Brian W Edginton
Please don't attack me for what you read between the lines of my posts.
I didn't write it...you did.




dalee
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01-29-10 14:40.01 - Post#2045196    

  • brian w edginton Said:
  • Quote:
Anytime I look at the Rough Riders and want to try them out, I wonder "Why? I'm all set!"



Who let him in?



Hi,

Isn't that like saying your not thirsty after 3 days in the hot desert with no water?

We may need to do an intervention.

dalee
HBlaine
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HBlaine
01-30-10 14:23.59 - Post#2046040    

  • k5 Said:
Whoaaaaa,,

Blaine is on a roller coaster ride down the
slippery slope of inexpensive knives.

Hang on, bud

PS: did y'all see the new Colt series in Black bone with titanium coated blades.
They really look nice, but I ain't ready to buy
a titanium coated blade on a TRADITIONAL styled
knife. you can see em at SMKW.

k5



Stop--telling--me--these- -things---



I got a bit of a chance to show off an "inexpensive" today. Was in the office, and had my Steel Warrior Wharncliffe half-whittler with me. A co-worker was quite impressed. He thought it was a much, much more expensive knife. When I told him how inexpensive it was, he of the "you're KIDDING me!" persuasion.


2xTap
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2xTap
01-31-10 13:48.22 - Post#2046865    

  • k5 Said:

They really look nice, but I ain't ready to buy
a titanium coated blade on a TRADITIONAL styled
knife.

k5



Titanium Nitride on a slippie actually looks pretty good. I got a Bear & Son Trapper done this way.......





2xTap
"Knives and Flashlights are like Guns....you can never have too many!"

k5
Master Member KnifeNut!

01-31-10 14:24.41 - Post#2046914    

Thanks, 2xtap,

I guess I've never seen that from Bear.
It does look pretty good.

All we have to figure out now is::
Is the coating done well by Colt?

Anyway I am happy with polished steel blades.
Something just feels right about good looking
steel.

The only knife I have with a TiNi coating is a
Kershaw Blackout,,,, I like it a lot and I trust
Kershaw's coating process. Gosh I've had the Blackout for about 7 or 8 years now.

k5
k5
Master Member KnifeNut!

01-31-10 14:29.14 - Post#2046916    

I guess that Steel Warrior is nice and tight.

It looks good,,, the bone pattern in nice.

I haven't had a chance to see many Stl Warr
in person.

Let me know how it performs.

k5
HBlaine
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HBlaine
02-06-10 02:54.00 - Post#2052398    

I've taken a real liking to the Steel Warrior knives. The ones I have, quality-wise, seem to be a step above the RRs in fit/finish. (And I don't mean that as a put down to RR, which has very good f/f.) I used the larger half-whittler I got as a box cutter for a good part of a day, and it handled it like a pro. They're nice little knives. I'd recommend them.
dalee
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02-06-10 03:17.15 - Post#2052426    

Hi,

While I tend to be a RR fan, I have got to get some Steel Warriors. You guys really seem to like them.

dalee
HBlaine
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HBlaine
02-06-10 03:18.54 - Post#2052428    

'Course, my crazy-man syndrome came home to roost... After a 7 hour drive through the storm from hell, I made it home to find a bunch of packages waiting for me. I put a note about the Cases I picked up over on the Case thread. The other stuff...

A Deluxe RR Canoe, and large 3-Blade Canoe from Waxman's. And a whole passal of knives from SMKW, inlcuding a cool Steel Warrior Widowmaker Congress, and a RR "Bull Rider" working knife, with a really nice smooth amber bone handle. The funniest knife is a little orange bone-handled "Mini Canittler". Never thought I'd call a knife cute, but...

Also picked up another Frost Family branded knife, this one a black smooth bone Congress. Again, I'm impressed with the knife, and with the presentation. Like the Widowmaker, it comes with a velvet-like carry case. It'd make a nice gift knife.

I'm having a little bit too much fun!
wstwood
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wstwood
02-06-10 05:11.10 - Post#2052519    

  • HBlaine Said:
I'm having a little bit too much fun!




Bite your tongue!

There is no such thing as too much fun.
"When all other rights have been taken away, the right of rebellion is made perfect."

Thomas Paine.

HBlaine
Journeyman KnifeNut!

HBlaine
02-06-10 05:37.50 - Post#2052568    

  • wstwood Said:
  • HBlaine Said:
I'm having a little bit too much fun!




Bite your tongue!

There is no such thing as too much fun.





However, I must've been having too much something, because I forgot to mention the large, red smooth bone-handled RR Whittler that also came in this lot.

Waaaaay too much something...
wstwood
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wstwood
02-06-10 06:36.13 - Post#2052627    

LOL

Well I am glad you are ...... enthused.

Gotta love that red bone.
"When all other rights have been taken away, the right of rebellion is made perfect."

Thomas Paine.

2xTap
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2xTap
02-06-10 07:47.59 - Post#2052685    

HBlaine,

Nice haul bud, look forward to the eye-candy.

I have a couple of Frost Family Brand Trappers, their fit and finish I found to be somewhat better than RR on the whole, but the Frosts have weaker backsprings. I haven't got any newer Frost Steel Warriors but do have some of their Stockmans from a earlier run and they ain't quite up to the level of RR. I need to try out some of the newer stuff to see how much better they have gotten.

2xTap
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HBlaine
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HBlaine
02-06-10 11:12.32 - Post#2052850    

Hey 'Tap! The backsprings were a big concern of mine with the SWs. So far, I've been lucky, and not noticed any problems. The only knives I've had a problem with weak backsprings on has been the Owl Head knives. (Only one of the batch of those I picked seemed to have consistantly strong springs, a large red bone Congress.)

I'm sitting here, looking at my ST 5-blade Congress, and (compared to the RRs) the springs aren't *quite* as strong. However, the half-Whittler, Whittler, large Razor, and the Widowmaker Congress all are on par (or actually better, in the case of the half-Whittler & Widowmaker) with the RRs. (Then again, the fit/finish, etc., on the half-Whittler is on par with some of the best I've seen.)

And, to be honest, it seems only one blade, the "extra" large clip, has the slightly weak problem on the 5-blade. The other blades have good snap and resistance.

So... Hopefully this means the SW stuff is improving.
HBlaine
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HBlaine
02-06-10 11:20.29 - Post#2052861    

And, you said "Frost Family", not "Steel Warrior"... One of these days, I'll learn to read...

I have two Frost Family knives, the black bone med Congress I just got, and a Ram's Horn Canoe. No problems with either. The Canoe was a little stiff, but I think it just needs a good oiling. I don't notice any play in the blade.

Again, hopefully this means the quality is going up.
2xTap
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2xTap
02-07-10 05:00.40 - Post#2053439    

HBlaine,

Yeah, I actually did a little review of my two Frost Family Trappers, it's somewhere in the first few pages of this thread. Fit and finish was real good. The backsprings on them weren't weak in the sense of sloppy but just not as strong as most other slippies I own.

2xTap
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Dave1960
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02-07-10 11:03.48 - Post#2053825    

Where I am (Ft. Worth) I don't have the means to get pics from Camera into 'puter.

Another thing I DID NOT NEED followed me home from Cabelas.

A Cabelas brand 3 3/4" Scout knife with what is said to be authentic Bone. It is said to have 8CR13 steel.

On the back of the blade is stamped Stainless over China.

It has at the very least decent+ F & F, and after a bit of stropping on my jeans it seems to be quite sharp.

Has a bail that I don't like much.

Cost a bit less than a $20 tax included.

Almost grabbed a Buck Canoe, but they have hollow grind maybe 2/3 up the blade and I do not like that!
k5
Master Member KnifeNut!

02-07-10 19:36.06 - Post#2054204    

You got to be careful stropping on them jeans.



And I love the way you put it:
"followed me home from Cabela's"

I'm glad I'm not the only one.

k5
CRM_TX
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02-09-10 01:23.01 - Post#2055296    

I got a couple Kissing Crane's in the other day that I got off of ebay, one is a copperhead the other a sodbuster style knife. I was impressed with these as well. There was a time when I wouldn't carry anything but a Case, but some of these knives I've been buying lately are NICE!! I've been carrying a RR yellow copperhead for almost a month now every day, and for the $$$ I'm amazed at how good this knife is.....
wstwood
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wstwood
02-09-10 06:12.10 - Post#2055505    

I been telling everyone, RR is the best bang for the buck on the market!
"When all other rights have been taken away, the right of rebellion is made perfect."

Thomas Paine.

2xTap
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2xTap
02-09-10 10:30.46 - Post#2055770    

Some of these asian made brands have been pretty good. They definitely make it easier for the average Joe to really get in on slipjoints without breaking the bank.

And I am with wstwood on this, for dirt cheap quality Rough Rider is impossible to beat right now. There might be the occassional run under another import line with finer F&F.....but across the board Rough Rider still reigns supreme in the "Bang for the buck" category.

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wstwood
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wstwood
02-10-10 07:30.07 - Post#2056577    

I carry a RR everywhere.

At LEAST one.

I often carry a second for those who are without a knife. (Heaven forbid!)

At the price point and quality level, RR's ARE the best bang for the buck.

Trust me, when I first heard about RR's, I was skeptical.

I bought a few to test out.

The fit and finish surprised me.

I didnt believe it was a real knife (it came from China after all) until I had tested the edge holding ability.

THAT is where the rubber met the road for me.

I now have almost 70 of them.

"When all other rights have been taken away, the right of rebellion is made perfect."

Thomas Paine.

k5
Master Member KnifeNut!

02-10-10 16:56.41 - Post#2057080    

I've only had 2 Kissing Cranes,,, I gave one to a friend.

They both seemed extremely well built/solid.

Mine is the Swayback Jack in Amber bone.
I have not used it in any hard work, but it
sure feels and looks good.

Now, I like my Rough Riders too.

k5
2xTap
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2xTap
02-11-10 11:04.48 - Post#2057757    

k5,

I have the same KC but mine is in Red Bone. Well built piece, solid and seamless throughout. If it weren't for a couple small surface blemishes it would be perfect.

2xTap
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DeadButAlive
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02-12-10 04:31.23 - Post#2058404    

I have a few Kissing Crane patterns - lockback whittlers in yellow delrin and tobacco jigged bone and a copperhead in ram's horn - and I'm impressed at how nice they are for the price. I lowered the edge angle on the yellow lockback whittler it has been in my EDC rotation for quite a while now - and I don't see it getting bumped anytime soon. I really like the pattern, and with its shape and the smooth delrin it just slips into the pocket and disappears - pretty amzaing for a 4" knife.

(sorry for using the stock pictures from a well known retail site, but my digital camera isn't good at all for closeups)






dalee
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02-12-10 04:56.13 - Post#2058452    

Hi,

I really like that middle one. An interesting combination of blades on those whittlers. A large clip, a spey, and a pen.Very interesting combo.

dalee
k5
Master Member KnifeNut!

02-12-10 10:08.01 - Post#2058805    

Welcome to our forum.

I think I like the middle one too - the jigged bone version - looks good.

Thanks for your report on the yellow one.

I've been wondering about those lockback whittlers.

I will have to consider one down the road a ways.

k5
DeadButAlive
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02-16-10 05:28.12 - Post#2061714    

I finally got a camera rig setup that takes decent pictures. Here are some actual shots of the yellow lockback whittler that has been in my EDC rotation for several months now (the one mentioned above).



Here are a couple of shots that show how they did the lock and springs and stuff...




k5
Master Member KnifeNut!

02-17-10 09:42.41 - Post#2062898    

Wow,, Good pics, I'd like to know what kind of
camera rig you used.
I have a little 200$ kodak, but it won't take
close ups like that.

And you really did work on that blade!!!
You do all that with a stone?

Thanks,,, and I gotta improve my pic taking "rig"

k5
DeadButAlive
Member

02-18-10 07:36.01 - Post#2063677    

Thanks k5! I'm actually using an 6-year-old Panasonic QV-R40 camera (that became obsolete when I bought a new camera for my wife for Christmas) mounted on a tripod I got at wally world about 14 years ago. For whatever reason its able to focus up close better than the new camera. It works well enough, I think, because I'm taking pictures in a warehouse with translucent skylights so the ambient lighting is really good - at least during the day.

I reprofiled the blade on the yellow whittler using a regular Lansky kit - I wanted to see how the steel would do at a really low angle and Lansky gave me a way to get a more-or-less known angle for reference. I do most of my sharpening freehand but for my experiments, or if the edge really needs to be reground (like my Queens), I'll use the Lansky.

Okay, now for the main point - I just got my first two Rough Riders! I got the Long Rifle Series 4-5/8" stockman (RR556) and the Large Copperhead in Jigged Red Bone (RR313). I had to get the unique ones first - the biggest stockman I've ever seen and the huge copperhead pattern with the belt pouch. I'm really impressed with these, especially for the price. They are both BIG and solid and they feel well fitted. Neither one is perfect but they both have good snap and evenly ground edges and they just feel nice.

I'll do a seperate post with pictures on each one, but here is a group shot...



...and one with my Case 3318 stockman at 3-5/8" for a size perspective.



And for those interested, here is a shot of the insides of both knives.



DeadButAlive
Member

02-18-10 08:04.33 - Post#2063699    

Okay, first up the RR313 Large Copperhead in Jigged Red Bone. Coming in at 4-3/4" long this is a full inch longer than the standard copperhead length, making it fit my hand much better than the standard copperhead. Now this is not a pocket knife by any means (unless you're about 6'9" or bigger) but it comes with a belt pouch so no worries.



Feels nice and solid, no play in either blade and impressive snap for such large blades. The bone is nicely colored, not a deep red but more of an apple red, and the jigging is well done and even. There is a small gap between the scale and the liner up by the front bolster, but its not loose and you'd have to be looking to find it. The grind on the blades is even as well, and while not shaving sharp, they are usable right out of the box. I haven't tested their 440A but I've been pleased with that steel in my Kissing Cranes, and in a knife this big it very well may be one of the better choices.

Always Ready!


Now for the nit-picky stuff. There are a couple of gaps between the springs and the lines in the back, and there is a visible gap between the ends of the springs and the blade stops, but there is no play in the blades.



Overall, I'm very pleased with this knife for the money - I don't know if you can beat RR for the price. I've got at least one other Chinese knife that is a little better F&F but it also cost a little more. If you need a BIG user knife then you might look at this one - its just begging to be used!
Switchback
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Switchback
02-18-10 08:56.35 - Post#2063740    

This is actually my wife's knife.

It's the smaller 3 3/4 inch version of the RR Copperhead.



She keeps it in her purse but I don't think she has ever cut anything with it. We took a ride last summer down to Grand Prairie Knives and she figured if I was going to buy a knife, she was gonna get herself something too. Can't say that I blame her.

It's a nice knife and very sharp out of the box.

That Large Copperhead is really nice. I didn't even know RR made one that big.

2xTap
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2xTap
02-18-10 09:22.59 - Post#2063761    

DeadButAlive,

Excellent posts and great pics!

The RR's are hard to beat for the money. I have a couple of those patterns, the big Serpentine Stockman and the Large Copperhead, very nice patterns and ones you don't find in other lines.

Good stuff bud!

2xTap
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DeadButAlive
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02-18-10 09:45.19 - Post#2063785    

Next up we have the Rough Rider RR556 Long Rifle Series Stockman. Coming in at 4-5/8" it is the biggest production stockman that I have personally ever seen! It wears smooth brown bone scales with a long rifle shield on the side. A very handsome knife indeed - and it comes in a nice collector's tin with form-fitted velvet-esque padding. Its almost to pretty to use - almost



This dude is BIG! And solid. It feels good in the hand, although I really wouldn't want to carry it in the pocket - at least not to the office. This guy is a good candidate for a belt pouch though, definitely big enough to get the job done around the home-place. The bone is very nicely done and has a sort of marbled effect - very handsome - and is pretty well done. The scales aren't fit perfectly, but they're good enough that it would probably take a knife knut like one of us to really notice the imperfections. The main blade rubs the liner ever-so-slightly out near the tip and the spey also rubs slightly when closed - not bad though, just a tiny bit. There are a few gaps between the backsprings and a few small gaps between the bolsters and the lines, but again you'd have to be a knut to really notice. Overall this is a very handsome knife.

Operationally, the springs have good snap for such a huge knife, pulling the blades into place both open and closed. They sit flush when closed, with the spring on the spey riding slightly proud and the other two riding slightly below flush when open. Opening is smooth and there's no wobble in the blades when open. Again, I can't comment on the 440A steel since I just got these and haven't had a chance to use them yet, but reports are that its good stuff. I'm looking forward finding out for myself.

Below is a picture of the backsprings (showing the little gaps and stuff) and another of the Rough Rider beside a Queen Cattle King #49 pattern stockman and a Case 3318 stockman, just to give a sense of perspective on how big this guy really is.



I like this knife as well. I'm really impressed with Rough Rider and while I don't know if I'll become a RR collector, I know where I'm gonna go if I need a hard user and don't want to bang up one of my $60+ knives. I also wouldn't be ashamed to give one away as a gift or to someone who might find themselves in need of a work knife. Great value in a solid knife, IMO.
k5
Master Member KnifeNut!

02-18-10 10:30.56 - Post#2063821    

I only have a minute.

Thanks for the info on your cameras,, that is
helpful info for me.

Thanks for the good pics,,, nice.

I hope you like the RR knives.

Keep us posted as to how they compare to your
Kissing Cranes after you have used them some.

Very good and helpful info.

k5
DeadButAlive
Member

02-18-10 10:49.06 - Post#2063835    

k5, I apologize - when I identified my camera as Panasonic I meant to say a CASIO QV-R40. I don't know where I got Panasonic from. Anyway, it works well enough for this stuff - my wife never liked it for snapshots though because it takes to long to get the next picture after you've taken one. Now she's happier and I'm happy 'cause I got one that works for knives!
Dave1960
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02-19-10 12:33.08 - Post#2064875    

I know this thread is really about cheap NEW knives...

But here is a diamond in the rough...


It already has had most of the rust removed from the blades, some mineral oil for the scales and yet to come is some Flitz for the bolsters.

Picked it up for $30 and think I SCORED!
dalee
Master Member KnifeNut!

02-19-10 16:00.21 - Post#2065037    

Hi,

Yep, that's a score in my book too. Nothing like a Case CV Canoe.

dalee
DeadButAlive
Member

02-20-10 04:33.06 - Post#2065358    

Sweet knife Dave, congrats! You gotta love those Case CV knives, they're great users. I've been thinking about picking up a canoe pattern myself - I've never had one and I think it might be worth trying out. The design never grabbed me, but then the Congress pattern never did either until I got one - now its my #2 (right behind my stockmans).
Dave1960
Journeyman KnifeNut!

02-20-10 05:49.56 - Post#2065409    

Here it is after some mineral oil, Simichrome and Empire TopSaver with Scothbrite pad on the blades.


Looks better in person than Pic shows....
Dave1960
Journeyman KnifeNut!

02-26-10 15:27.33 - Post#2070836    

I can't ever see myself getting a congress. They bend the wrong way for the bottom of my pocket.

Here are my Rough Rider Legs:


And two Canoes (one RR):

DeadButAlive
Member

02-28-10 02:00.06 - Post#2071889    

I've got a couple more Rough Riders due in from Waxman Knifeworks tomorrow (if they don't get delayed by snow) - a dogleg whittler and a red bone canoe. I'll get pic and impressions up ASAP. This will be my first canoe so I'm anxious to see how I like it, and I'm also curious to see how RR did with the springs on the whittler.
2xTap
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2xTap
02-28-10 06:59.23 - Post#2072064    

DeadButAlive,

I am sure you will like both. RR has a good Canoe pattern virtually identical to Case's version and the build on them is usually excellent.

As to their Dogleg Whittler, it's a great pattern and another you should like. I have four of them myself. My first three I did a little review of here if you are interested: RR Dogleg Whittler review

The fourth one I got was in Stag and I have it on this very thread somewhere a ways back. The only thing I have noticed with these particular whittlers from RR is that they use a dual taper backspring design and they can be a bit light on the secondary blade end.

2xTap
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k5
Master Member KnifeNut!

02-28-10 15:24.41 - Post#2072485    

Just an update on what I've seen on the web from
Rough Rider.

They have a newer barlow,,,,#902,and #903
maybe #901 too. These are a little different from their earlier/other barlows.
They are 3" long (closed)All their others have been 3 3/8" long (closed)

The 903 is a pretty green smooth bone,,902 is amber jigged bone,,, maybe 901 is yel delrin.

Personally I don't like my barlows shorter than
3 3/8"

Just a heads up,,

They also have a nice Daddy Barlow with Sawcut bone handles,,,,, 5 1/4' (closed)

k5
John Schedel
Master Member KnifeNut!

03-01-10 01:57.55 - Post#2072709    

  • Dave1960 Said:
Here it is after some mineral oil, Simichrome and Empire TopSaver with Scothbrite pad on the blades.


Looks better in person than Pic shows....



Very nice! And, it's already "pocket worn"!

This od knife needs to be carried and used until it is worn out. (Good luck with that!)
DeadButAlive
Member

03-01-10 11:04.49 - Post#2073140    

Okay, first up is the Rough Rider 4" dogleg whittler in brown jigged bone (RR 448).



This one is quite nice. As 2xTap says, the springs are tapered and are a little light on the small blades, but the pull on the main is just about perfect. Finish is overall very good, typical for Rough Rider, with a few small gaps between the springs and liners, no blade play or wobble, and very nice bone scales.



I like the choice of blades with this one - the small wharncliffe/sheepsfoot and pen/spey combination should turn out to be pretty useful. The knife sits easily in the hand and I find myself picking it up over and over again just because its such an interesting design. I like this one - definitely worth the $9 it cost - and it should see some pocket time soon.


DeadButAlive
Member

03-01-10 11:46.43 - Post#2073166    

Next up is the Rough Rider canoe in red jigged bone (RR 269). Now this is my first canoe knife so I didn't know what to expect, but after getting it in hand I now understand why so many people like this pattern. It is a very usable and and surprisingly handy pattern.



The bone scales are deep red, almost a cranberry color and the jigging is very smooth and even. The springs are just about perfect on this one, excellent snap both open and closed, but not a nailbreaker by any means. With a little CLP and some use I expect the walk so smooth out and become very nice as well - the process has already started with me messing with it today.



I have to say again, I LIKE THIS KNIFE. Its very classy looking dressed up in deep red with its organic rounded lines and big, shiny bolsters. My co-workers are impressed also - I've had one colleague already offer to buy it off of me.

Fit and finish are overall pretty good but as usual, not perfect. There are gaps between the springs and liners at either end and small gaps between the bolsters and liners in places, but nothing really obvious. The main blade has an ever-so-slight amount of lateral wobble when open but only enough to notice if you're looking for it. These are consistent F&F-wise with the last couple of Rough Riders I got so I suppose that they are about par for the course - which is pretty good considering the outrageously low prices you pay for them. Based on this knife I can't wait to get into a Case amber bone canoe in CV like Dave1960 shows above. I guess I'll have to wait (impatiently) for the old change jar to accumulate some more funds, so until then I'm going to enjoy this little bugger for a while.



I swear these darn Rough Riders are like a drug, it seems like every one of them I get makes me want another one. They're so stinking affordable, and the build quality is good enough that I find myself browsing for new ones as soon as the last one disappears into the pocket. I think I'm going to have to start giving them away so I have excuses to buy more!
k5
Master Member KnifeNut!

03-01-10 16:03.30 - Post#2073419    

Thanks for the reviews. Good pictures.

I have a Canoe in RR and in Colt.
Both are built very well. NO wobble,etc

I have Case Seahorse whittlers but no RR yet.

I do have the Colt Brown stag bone in the old time
large blade whittler,,,, I LOVE the main blade on this one. yep the smaller blades have minimal snap, but that's ok with me.

I think you probably know that the new Colts are made by the same people who make the RR.

agn,,,,, tnx for pics

k5
2xTap
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2xTap
03-02-10 00:52.58 - Post#2073584    

DeadButAlive,

More great reviews bud, and nice pics too. The Canoe pattern is a addictive one. A great pattern with nice lines, very pocket-friendly. Spoil yourself and get some from Case and Queen.

Although I highly recommend if you like the Canoe pattern to get yourself at least one of the greatest Canoes out there (one of the best patterns out there IMHO).........

Case Gunboat Canoes:






They ain't exactly "Inexpensive Quality".....well, I should say they are definitely Quality but not really Inexpensive. But are well worth it.

2xTap

"Knives and Flashlights are like Guns....you can never have too many!"

John Schedel
Master Member KnifeNut!

03-02-10 01:05.35 - Post#2073592    

I agree. Canoes are addictive! (Think of them as fancy SAKs without all the cluttering tools). One cannot have too many Canoes, made by too many makers and in too many handle materials. (E.g., I have a Queen Canoe that Oupa handled in stabilized kangaroo poop [really!] for me. It is called "the Roo Poo Canoo" [again, no kidding!] When I told my daughter that the knife would be hers after I pass, she wished me a long life. Now, wasn't that nice of her?)

I am a little less enamored with the Gunboat/Canittler/Railspl itter versions of this pattern. These variations are useful enough but they lose the Canoe's thin pocket signature.
dalee
Master Member KnifeNut!

03-02-10 06:10.51 - Post#2073761    

Hi,

Been meaning to get this new one posted with a short impression of it. Since I've never had this variation or brand on the Whittler pattern.



It's a lock-back Whittler by Steel Warrior. Kissing Crane offers a similar model.

I was reasonable impressed with the external fit and finish when I took it out of the box. The scales are pretty well matched and fitted. Though they do stand just a tiny bit proud of the bolsters. Mostly you can feel it, but you need to look close to see it. The back-springs are flush and smooth when closed. It will never be mistaken for, say a GEC, but it has nothing to be ashamed of either. It's pretty darned nice out of the box.

Opening it up, it was gritty and sticky. Which I quickly fixed with a fast flush and lube. Open and close is pretty darned smooth and easy. The springs maybe a tiny bit softer than I ideally like, but still it's fine. The blades weren't hair shaving sharp, but they were working sharp. Better than some far more expensive and "fancier" knives I have. And at just under 4" in length, is a bit longer than I like to carry. But it carries amazingly thin in the pocket. So it's barely noticeable. The designer of this knife was thinking!

The downside to this knife. All three blades have varying degrees of side to side play. The Coping blade the most, while the small pen has the least. The worst play though is the big locking spear-point. It also has vertical play when locked open. Not very well fitted at all, and possibly a bit unsafe.

And the small pen also has some issues. It's a bit warped. It curves out towards the brass liner. And I can actually flex the blade over a 1/16" between my finger tips with just light pressure. The blade is almost paper thin, (I like thin blades), but it really should be stiffer. Possibly a heat treat problem? This blade probably should have been discarded at the factory.

Overall, I'm not really sure what to think about this brand. I like the pattern. The idea of a locking blade with two smaller slippie blades is a great idea. It really could be a great working pattern. The best of both worlds.

And it does look fine as far as the outer finish goes. But the execution of the mechanicals is definitely lacking. Perhaps I'm a bit prejudiced about my Rough Riders, but I'm not so sure I'd buy another Steel Warrior.

dalee
DeadButAlive
Member

03-02-10 06:48.11 - Post#2073795    

I've got a couple of the Kissing Crane models similar to the Frost - I posted some pics of the yellow one a few pages back. I've been very pleased with the quality of those knives. Neither one of mine have any wobbles or warps or anything. I was really surprised at how good they are for what I gave for them, I would rate them a little higher in F&F than the Rough Riders I've got. I actually contemplated getting one of the Frost ones because of the wider variety of scale materials, but I ended up with the Kissing Crane because I liked the clip main blade better than the spear. I haven't been disappointed with the KC models.
k5
Master Member KnifeNut!

03-02-10 07:59.03 - Post#2073872    

mr dalee,,,

Sorry you did not get the best Steel Warrior.

I thank you for your honest review.

I don't own any steel warriors, and I see no reason to start. I have handled a few of them
at gun & knife shows and I was not favorably impressed.

Also the dealer at these shows seems to think that
Steel Warriors are something akin to Case.
Because his prices are obscene ! !

ok,,,, back to my newest Case, the Humpback Whittler,,, I am really impressed with Case on this model.

dios,
k5
DeadButAlive
Member

03-12-10 11:08.53 - Post#2083584    

Uh oh! This post has fallen to the second page - can't have that now...

Ok let's try this for a bump. Its a RR403 congress in red jigged bone. This is probably as close to a perfect RR as I've had so far. This knife walks and talks. The only flaws I can find are tiny gaps between springs and liners in a couple of places and visible only in front of a light. I like the blade selection as well, if only one of the small pen blades was a coping blade it would be the ideal assortment.



The knife has no half-stops unlike most congress patterns I've had (personally I find that I like them better without half-stops). It came usably sharp out of the box and a few strokes across the ol' hard Arkansas stone got her shaving on all four blades real quick.



The red bone is a fairly bright color, kind of an apple red - almost like the paint job on a car. I have several of these red jigged bone RR knives now and their color is pretty consistent from side to side and between the different models. The jigging is very consistent as well, not real fancy but even and well executed. The grooved slant bolsters are a nice touch as well.

Another good one from Rough Rider!
wstwood
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wstwood
03-12-10 13:47.43 - Post#2083693    

Your porn fu is strong.

Good knife pictures! (porn)

thanks for sharing.
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Thomas Paine.

dalee
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03-13-10 12:41.45 - Post#2084489    

Hi,

Nice congress! I've got one from them with the tortoise shell scales. And they do seem to take care in making these. A fine pattern from Rough Rider.

dalee
k5
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03-13-10 19:54.48 - Post#2084738    

2tap,,,,

I enjoyed looking at your beautiful Gunboats again

One day maybe I will be working a deal on one of
those.

GOOD pics.

k5
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wstwood
03-14-10 12:35.11 - Post#2085320    

This thread rox.

Lots of porn.

Lots of reviews.

have to get some pictures and post!
"When all other rights have been taken away, the right of rebellion is made perfect."

Thomas Paine.

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Ky Greg
03-28-10 12:35.11 - Post#2098129    

Can't believe this thread had fallen off the front page!!! Let's fix that right now!

RR201 Barlow
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wstwood
03-28-10 14:07.23 - Post#2098229    

Nice looking barlow.

I love my Rough Riders.

I am going to be giving one away tuesday night.

A man without a knife is a man without a life.
"When all other rights have been taken away, the right of rebellion is made perfect."

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Ky Greg
03-28-10 14:27.38 - Post#2098238    

That's a great idea!
k5
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03-28-10 14:29.16 - Post#2098241    

Are you sure that's a 201,,,

The 201's I looked at just now are Brown jigged bone and have the old tang stamp.

I am thinking of getting another RR barlow,, that
is why I am asking.

Yours looks fine!

k5
DeadButAlive
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03-29-10 08:16.17 - Post#2098814    

Very nice RR Greg! I've been avoiding Barlows for a while since I've already got 5 or 6 favorite patterns and the last thing I need is a new 'favorite'. Right now I've got a few of mine on lone to my sons to see how well they hold up to some 'hard' use. Sure can't beat 'em for the money!
k5
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03-29-10 11:12.21 - Post#2098957    

I like the looks of that barlow in the OP's photo.

I am planning on buying a couple more RR barlows
because they make such good whittlers.
I have been using the pen blade doing some fine
whittling,, and the barlow handle works just great for that.

I like the standard 3 3/8" barlow,,, I noticed that a few of the very newest RR barlow's are
only 3" long.

k5
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Ky Greg
03-30-10 13:44.42 - Post#2099954    

  • k5 Said:
Are you sure that's a 201,,,

The 201's I looked at just now are Brown jigged bone and have the old tang stamp.

I am thinking of getting another RR barlow,, that
is why I am asking.

Yours looks fine!


k5



RR201 is on the blade and box....the box is the light blue denim color.

bjf41
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bjf41
03-30-10 16:48.23 - Post#2100062    

I was going to make a new thread. Then I figured I would just add on to here.

I got two new Rough Riders. A Butterbean and a Canoe.

Butterbean.
Whoops. I just went to Photobucket and realized I did not shoot my Butterbean yet.

Well, I know I took the Canoe today. LOL
Rough Rider Stoneworks Canoe. I am not one for a bunch of "Bling" in things. And this is almost to much for me. But I got it anyways.




Bill



k5
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03-30-10 17:45.45 - Post#2100130    

Thanks for your reply kygreg.

I certainly did not intend to challenge you or
anything like that.

I just went and looked at some RR201's because I
liked what I saw in your photo.

Tnx k5
shecky
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shecky
03-31-10 15:37.36 - Post#2100964    

Just got a Rough Rider Doctor's knife with bone gunstock checked scales. Damn, this is one handsome knife! No flaws in the bone checkering, no gaps, perfect snap, all ends clean and flush, blades came with good profiles and sharp. For less than eight buck delivered...
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Ky Greg
04-01-10 12:59.50 - Post#2101716    

  • k5 Said:
Thanks for your reply kygreg.

I certainly did not intend to challenge you or
anything like that.

I just went and looked at some RR201's because I
liked what I saw in your photo.

Tnx k5




No prob and no offense taken...I have been known to make a mistake once in a while..
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2xTap
04-01-10 14:45.55 - Post#2101838    

bjf41,

Nice Canoe bud, these new Stoneworks offerings from RR are real nice. A buddy of mine at work just got the Large Stockman version from this series. He brought it in today to show me......they have a somewhat "Yellowhorse" appearance to them.

I like them. Nice grab bud.

2xTap
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GregFL
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04-02-10 14:43.12 - Post#2102560    

After reading the 40 plus pages I decided to try a one of these inexpensive knives and picked up a Colt Signature Series Black Stag Limited Production Sowbelly. I chose the Sowbelly pattern because I've never owned one and wanted to see if I liked it prior to purchasing a more expensive brand. It arrived in the mail yesterday and quickly removed it from the box for inspection.



Overall the appearance of the knife was pleasing with the exception of the pinched bolsters. This is my first knife with pinched bolsters and it will probably be my last. As I continued to perform a closer inspection I saw what looked like gaps between the back springs so I held it up to the light and sure enough there they were. One gap measured 0.008" and while the other measured 0.005".

As I opened and closed the blades I found them to be somewhat sluggish in their movement ... almost like they were not polished (or completely deburred) prior to assembly. Come to think of it, that may be part of the reason for the gaps as well. I found the blades very sharp, shaving sharp in fact, but I am somewhat surprised at the acute angle they came with. I typically sharpen my D2 blades at 20 degrees and by comparison these appear to be 15 degrees or less.

So what's my final impression ... I think overall it's a good deal for the money. Will I buy another Colt, probably not because I am anal about certain things and the gaps drive me crazy. I also purchased a Rough Rider Copperhead but it hasn't arrived yet. I've heard they are manufactured by the same company so I am anxious for it to arrive so I can do a quality comparison.
k5
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04-02-10 14:54.01 - Post#2102566    

It surely looks good.

Myself,,, I wouldn't worry about .005 and .008 gaps.

Would you care to tell how much you paid and where you got it ( you don't have to )
Just part of the story for me.

Thanks,

k5
2xTap
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2xTap
04-02-10 14:57.01 - Post#2102567    

GregFL,

You will find, with these Colt's, as well as Rough Riders, and a number of import brands that they all don't come perfect. And one of the more common minor issues with them is gaps in the backspring area.

I own alot of these import lines, many are about as good as a slippie can come, but I still have alot with some minor issues.

Given their cheap price these things are to be expected but it is nice to get some for dirt cheap that are pretty much flawless. That said, if you are looking specifically for flawless construction the cheaper brands aren't the ones you should be eyeing. But they work as a decent example of patterns before purchasing a higher end piece.

Hopefully your RR arrives with the same F&F as many of mine have.

2xTap
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GregFL
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04-02-10 15:22.47 - Post#2102577    

I apologize if the review sounded so negative. For the price (I picked it up from KY Knives on ebay for $14.00 delivered) it is a very good deal. The reason I said it would be my last Colt is because the Rough Rider I purchased (from the same place) was around half the price. I don't want to sound cheap, but if they are manufactured in the same plant, why not pick up the less expensive brand.

2xTap, you are correct, I purchased the Colt to see if I liked the Sowbelly pattern (which I do). I will hold onto it and if I can't get over the gaps I can always gift it to a friend or coworker that needs a knife.
k5
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04-02-10 15:45.36 - Post#2102583    

I have a bunch of RR and Colt,, the Colts come with a little more polish on the blades.
I like all the ones I have,,, little imperfections
and all.

I will say that I have 2 Case Sowbellies.
They are really GOOD. I must have bought them
5 or 6 years ago. They are sturdy and well made.

k5
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wstwood
04-02-10 16:50.32 - Post#2102607    

Well I gave away another Rough Rider knife this week.

Tuesday we went to a passover dinner.

The host (I knew since last time we spoke) was without a knife.

So I took my RR briefcase and after the meal we browsed through the knives.

He found a trapper with two clip point blades.

Anyway I told him it was his and he was real happy.

I was too till I saw it sat on a table near the kitchen.

I asked him if he had a knife.

He smiled and said yes so I stuck out my hand and said can I see it?

he walked over to the table and picked it up and I said, you didnt have a knife.

If it is not in your pocket, you dont have it.

so he stuck it in his pocket.

I hope it stays there.

Spreading cutlery to the world, one victim at a time.
"When all other rights have been taken away, the right of rebellion is made perfect."

Thomas Paine.

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2xTap
04-02-10 17:58.13 - Post#2102628    

GregFL,

No need to apologize, reviews positive or negative are welcome here. It's one of the reasons I started this thread.....an open discussion on these particular slippies.

As I mentioned before, all of these don't come perfect. It's good to know when someone gets one that has some flaws.

2xTap
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wstwood
04-03-10 06:48.25 - Post#2102911    

I have about 70 of the RR and Colt and S&W knives.

There is not a perfect one among them that I know of.

Most common defect, light through the liners and backsprings.

These are working knives.

I dont see how a gap in the backsprings is going to detract from that.

They still work just as well as if they were of perfect construction.

I say dont sweat the small gaps, put that mother in your pocket and put it to work!
"When all other rights have been taken away, the right of rebellion is made perfect."

Thomas Paine.

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wescobts
04-03-10 11:51.41 - Post#2103068    

^ HERE HERE
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Jvan
04-03-10 12:34.22 - Post#2103098    

Of all of the inexpensive brands I have bought I have scored one that I would classify as perfect and that is out of about 30 or so and that is my Colt Signature Canoe pattern.

If I could only have one this is the pattern I would have wished for. I really can not find a fault with it and I have looked hard.
John

"What one relishes, nourishes". - Benjamin Franklin

Life is tough, get a helmet!

Vive la Journeyman!

wigoy
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04-04-10 22:09.45 - Post#2103868    

As for imperfections in imported slip-joints, of course they are there but actually on an impressively low scale.

RR are very decent knives for the main.They may have gaps but I regret to say I can show you three Schatt&Morgans with gaps AND blade wobble. A couple of Case knives with issues and a Queen Zebrawood Teardrop with a horrible rough raised spring when opened. These are not inexpensive knives either....This thread is Inexpensive Quality and RR fit that bill and more.
Tom_123
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04-05-10 00:02.05 - Post#2103900    

Inspired from this thread, I bought some inexpensive knives to see for myself:



My first impressions:

Rough Rider:
Decent quality for an incredible price.
Particularly the sailor’s knife (RR 577) is very well made and one of my favorites.

Frost/Steel Warrior:
Also nicely made, but personally I like the look and feel of the Rough Riders a tad more.

Buck Creek:
Not all that inexpensive, but judged from the one congress knife I bought,
a good quality. Wish I could find out where they were made.

Boker plus:
I bit more expensive than the Rough Riders. The yellow handle lock back I got,
is very well made.
No blade play opened (though some play closed) and it comes with a 440C blade.
A good choice for EDC IMHO.

Still have to try out the Colt knives though.

keithw
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keithw
04-05-10 00:18.39 - Post#2103910    

I totally agree. Small gaps are very minor distractions to me.

I recently bought a German 1970s-80s Kissing Crane Canoe off eBay, expecting average or above fit and finish and was disappointed.
There were huge gaps, and one of the springs stuck up badly when opened.

I could have probably bought 3 RR canoes for what I paid.

Live and Learn.
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wstwood
04-05-10 02:28.47 - Post#2103953    

I have a bunch of Rough Riders.

I find the fit and finish to be exemplary for knives in this price range.

"When all other rights have been taken away, the right of rebellion is made perfect."

Thomas Paine.

k5
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04-05-10 07:58.06 - Post#2104178    

Tom,

Nice collection of knives.
You have plenty of RR to play with.

I would like to hear (or see) more about the
Buck Creek congress. I have been eyeballing that
one for a while,, it's on my wish list.

thanks, k5
2xTap
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2xTap
04-05-10 08:25.48 - Post#2104195    

Tom123,

Nice collection bud!

As to the Buck Creeks, I have a few myself. A couple of their large Diamondback Stockman's (above). They are made in Solingen, Germany.

2xTap
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wigoy
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04-05-10 20:14.23 - Post#2104550    

Tom, is that yellow lockback a Böker? I thought it was an RR Old Yellow? Nice selection, the long rifle has good bone on it.
Tom_123
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04-06-10 01:14.41 - Post#2104614    

@ K5, thanks.
As for the Buck Creek, it’s the Bobcat Congress knife.
Nice knife so far, but I’m pretty new to slip joints and don’t have much Congress to compare.
Compared to my Camillus Yello Jaket, the blades of the Camillus have a better look and feel IMHO,
everything else is of evenly good quality.



More pictures here:

http://www.deadwoodknives.com/

And in my Photobucket folder:

http://s671.photobucket.com/albums/...

@ 2XTap, thanks, nice knives you have, especially the one with the smooth handle
looks great.


@ wigoy
The yellow lock back is a Boker plus (made in China):

http://www.boker.de/us/pocket-knife...

They have some slip joints offered under the Magnum Brand as well.
(Magnum = distributed by Boker, unknown origin)

http://www.boker.de/us/pocket-knife...
wigoy
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04-06-10 06:59.17 - Post#2104879    

Thanks for the info Tom. I'd like to get one of those.
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bjf41
04-06-10 17:41.54 - Post#2105358    

New Rough Rider Canoe Butterbean. Nice little knife. Unbelievable quility for the money.




Bill



k5
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04-07-10 06:25.14 - Post#2105670    

Bill,

That is a pretty little Butterbean,, Nice !

( hey, what kind of camera do you use ? )

tnx,
k5
k5
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04-07-10 06:29.38 - Post#2105673    

Tom,

Thanks for the pics.

k5
2xTap
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2xTap
04-07-10 08:18.45 - Post#2105764    

That's a real beaut bjf41! RR's Amber Jigged Bone is some good looking stuff.

2xTap
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Outdoorsman1891
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04-08-10 12:53.02 - Post#2106511    

I am more of a lurker on this site, but I have been reading this thread and decided to try a RR.
My favorites are the medium stockmans. I got this one for $10.00 including shipping off of ebay. I must say for $10 they are a good deal.
k5
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04-08-10 13:39.48 - Post#2106554    

That's a good looking Rough Rider you got.

Let us know how it holds up after some use.

Nice collection of Med. Stockmen.

k5

I like the Case med. stockman - the one that is
round bolstered and is 3 5/8" long.


beanbag
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04-09-10 07:57.22 - Post#2107164    

Based on all the good things I heard about Rough Riders here on the Slip-Joint, I went out and got some. (Sorry about the really bad pictures)

What I got was a Canoe w/ smooth tobacco, a barlow w/ jigged bone, a stag bone Stockman and a Mini-Canoe w/ smooth orange bone. They really are well made. The fit and finish on the large Canoe and Barlow is especially good.

I'm giving the Stockman and the Mini-Canoe away as gifts. When you give away Rough Riders, do you give them boxed or loose. I'm leaning towards loose.

Beanbag
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Switchback
04-09-10 08:42.19 - Post#2107198    

Nice group of Rough Riders.

When I give a knife away, I usually just hand the knife over unboxed.

If it's a gift for an occasion like a birthday I put it in the box and gift wrap it.
Rick T.

beanbag
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04-09-10 08:50.50 - Post#2107204    

Yup, just handing it over sounds about right. I'm giving one to a train conductor who went above and beyond in a lost and found situation.
2xTap
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2xTap
04-09-10 09:00.59 - Post#2107214    

Outdoorsman1891,

Nice group of stockies you got. That Amber RR is nice.

k5,

The Case Stockman you are refering to is the #18 pattern. It's a pattern I kinda like as well but funny thing is, I don't own any. I keep buying #75's and #47's.

beanbag,

I'm with Switchback, as giveaways just hand them over. As presents keep them with the box.

2xTap
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k5
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04-09-10 10:31.39 - Post#2107275    

I didn't know it by pattern number, but it is easy to carry and feels really good in the hand.

It makes a good "worry stone" - it just calms you
down to hold it and rub it.

( Now don't anyone take that the wrong way.)

k5

I have one of 'em. Bought it at Lowes a few years ago when they quit handling Case knives.
They discounted it down to $30 out the door.
It is handled in Bonestag 6.5
2xTap
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2xTap
04-10-10 02:32.30 - Post#2107639    

k5,

If you are interested Rough Rider makes a near identical Stockman pattern to the Case #18. Theirs is a bit smaller at 3 1/2" closed but otherwise a very similar pattern. I picked up one a little while back and posted about it here: Red smooth bone RR's.....real nice stockman for the money.

2xTap
"Knives and Flashlights are like Guns....you can never have too many!"

k5
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04-10-10 06:31.18 - Post#2107742    

Believe it or not, I have one of those RR red
smooth bone medium stockmen.

SMKW gave it to me free about 2 or 3 years ago.
Near Christmas time, they had free shipping and
a free knife with every order. The free knive was
randomly selected. I DO like that RR red med.
stockman.

TNX

k5
2xTap
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2xTap
04-10-10 09:47.10 - Post#2107835    

k5,

Well, you can't beat that. Free RR's are always good!

2xTap
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Outdoorsman1891
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04-10-10 11:30.45 - Post#2107886    

Sorry for the late reply. i just don't have as much time as I would like to have to get on here.

Thanks for the comments. You guys have some really nice knives.

Andy
nate j
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04-10-10 12:41.03 - Post#2107920    

  • bjf41 Said:

Well, I know I took the Canoe today. LOL
Rough Rider Stoneworks Canoe.



That's a beaut, Bill. I may have to snag one of those.

GregFL
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04-12-10 16:18.22 - Post#2109385    

Well after picking up a Colt Signature Series Black Stag Sowbelly I decided to try some Rough Riders. The two I picked up were the Jig Stag Bone Copperhead (3-3/4") and the Amber Bone Copperhead (3-3/8"). Now I read somewhere that Colt and Rough Riders were made in the same factory but you couldn't tell it by my copies. The fit and finish of the Colt was fair, but the two Rough Riders is excellent. There were no gaps between the springs and liners and the blades were perfectly aligned. For the price, $15.37 for BOTH delivered, it is an outstanding deal. Now I'm really glad I found this thread. BTW, a good friend at work lost his knife so I gifted the Colt to him ... he loves it.




2xTap
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2xTap
04-13-10 10:00.46 - Post#2109946    

GregFL,

Sweet RR Copperheads, I am a fan of that pattern as well. Nice ones!

Sorry to hear your Colt didn't come as well made as others have. I must of been lucky as the three Colt's I have were very good.

You gotta be careful now. These better made inexpensive brands can be as addicting as the bigger name brands....and alot easier to get more of them. They can multiply rather quickly.

2xTap
"Knives and Flashlights are like Guns....you can never have too many!"

k5
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04-20-10 09:44.33 - Post#2114341    

I got my first knife from Gyocom, zix, KY knives
yesterday.

I don't do much ebay.

This one was a Reddish brown bone barlow with the
little bow tie shield Rough Rider, RR 846.

The shipping was fast and the price was right.

The RR barlow was tight and well sharpened like
most RR.

For some folks, the springs would be weak,, and they are weak,, but it doesn't bother me.
I use them for whittling. The pen blade on their
barlow pattern is really good for fine whittling.

No,, I don't do woodcarving,,, just playing around
whittling.

k5 PS: the knife also LOOKs very nice.
2xTap
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2xTap
04-21-10 01:33.34 - Post#2114676    

k5,

Gyocom is a good dealer, bought quite a few from him myself with no problems. Haven't ordered from him in a while though. Good to hear he is still doing it right.

Sorry to hear your RR came with light springs, it does happen and I have a few with lighter than normal springs as well....as long as they ain't lazy light they should be fine.

2xTap
"Knives and Flashlights are like Guns....you can never have too many!"

k5
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04-21-10 07:25.29 - Post#2114888    

Yep,, the springs are not lazy,,, so the knife will be fine.

It is excellent fit and finish,, typical RR.

I plan to buy more from gyocom.

k5
nate j
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04-23-10 21:17.33 - Post#2116466    

  • 2xTap Said:

As to the Buck Creeks, I have a few myself. A couple of their large Diamondback Stockman's



Those are nice looking. How do you like them?
2xTap
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2xTap
04-24-10 03:20.39 - Post#2116565    

  • nate j Said:
  • 2xTap Said:

As to the Buck Creeks, I have a few myself. A couple of their large Diamondback Stockman's



Those are nice looking. How do you like them?



I like them quite a bit. Real good quality for the money. Here's my review of them if you are interested: Buck Creek Stockmans

2xTap
"Knives and Flashlights are like Guns....you can never have too many!"

nate j
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04-26-10 18:38.27 - Post#2118277    

  • 2xTap Said:
  • nate j Said:
  • 2xTap Said:

As to the Buck Creeks, I have a few myself. A couple of their large Diamondback Stockman's



Those are nice looking. How do you like them?



I like them quite a bit. Real good quality for the money. Here's my review of them if you are interested: Buck Creek Stockmans

2xTap




Thanks, and nice write-up, btw. As I type, one of the stag-handled ones is on its way to me...
nate j
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04-30-10 11:53.45 - Post#2120789    

Here are a couple of shots of my new arrivals. Top knife is a Buck Creek Diamondback stockman with stag handle. (Thanks again for that recommendation, 2xTap.) Bottom knife is a Case American Workman Series large stockman. Each has a few very minor flaws, but I had to look very hard to find them, and I would rate F&F on both knives as excellent. I would rate W&T as excellent as well; all blades on both knives have good snap but are not nail-breakers. The large stockman pattern is really beginning to grow on me. I paid less than $40 for each of them NIB, so I think they deserve a place in the inexpensive quality thread.
k5
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04-30-10 13:52.43 - Post#2120844    

Thanks for the review and nice pic's.

They both look good to me.

Thanks again,

k5
k5
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05-04-10 15:26.45 - Post#2123300    

I have a Colt Signature Black Stag Bone Barlow
on the way.
I hope it is as good as the other Colts and RR's
I have received.

This is my first one in the black stag bone.

These RR / Colt barlows are whittling demons !

Very sharp, and I like the smaller pen blade to
do fine whittling.

k5
nate j
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05-04-10 17:50.08 - Post#2123350    

Congrats. We expect pics when it arrives...
2xTap
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2xTap
05-08-10 16:29.55 - Post#2125597    

nate j,

Nice pair or Large Stockies. Man do those look familiar!

And glad I could help point you in the right direction. Both are excellent large framed slippies for the money.

2xTap
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k5
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05-10-10 08:43.08 - Post#2126510    

My Colt signature black stag bone barlow came in the mail today.

It looks good. It is nice and tight - no blade play. Backspring gap is only "microscopic"

Right now I am working some Hoppes oil through it
to smooth out that gritty feeling.

I think I'm gonna like it very well.

At this point I feel like I have enough RR and
Colt Chinese knives. They are really good cutters
and good using knives. But I think I will cool it
for a while - maybe think about Schatt & Morgans in the future.

k5
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Switchback
05-10-10 09:16.49 - Post#2126529    

  • Quote:
maybe think about Schatt & Morgans in the future.



That gorgeous Crimson Railsplitter got you hooked didn't it?
Rick T.

k5
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05-10-10 14:47.50 - Post#2126751    

That gorgeous Crimson Railsplitter got you hooked didn't it?

YES !


K5
keithw
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keithw
06-22-10 00:48.38 - Post#2154648    

I noticed this thread hasn't been added to in quite a while,
so I thought I would put in my 2 cents worth.

I just received a Utica trapper, and I am impressed!
The fit and finish are very good for a $30ish knife.
Plus as a bonus its made here in the US.

wstwood
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wstwood
06-22-10 06:15.40 - Post#2154852    

utica huh?

I think I have heard of them in the foggy distant past.

American made?

GREAT!

We need MORE American made knives.
"When all other rights have been taken away, the right of rebellion is made perfect."

Thomas Paine.

keithw
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keithw
06-22-10 07:29.01 - Post#2154890    

I didn't have any idea that Utica/Kutmaster were still being made,
until I saw them in a store on the AAPK site.

Here is a link to the Utica site.
http://www.kutmaster.com/productlin...




dalee
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06-22-10 09:49.18 - Post#2155001    

Hi,

Yeah, 1095 carbon steel or stainless if you prefer. All for a good price. I'm thinking I'd like a Premium Stockman from Utica. Or maybe a Barlow.

They look like they could be real sleepers!

dalee
brianWE
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brianWE
06-22-10 09:54.50 - Post#2155006    

I wonder who owns the name, now?
Brian W Edginton
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brianWE
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brianWE
06-22-10 10:01.04 - Post#2155012    

Here's a range from Knife Center

UTICA
Brian W Edginton
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knifetinkerer
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knifetinkerer
06-22-10 10:09.18 - Post#2155024    

  • brian w edginton Said:
Here's a range from Knife Center

UTICA



OMG they have a folding karambit.


brianWE
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brianWE
06-22-10 10:15.10 - Post#2155032    

Nah!
You distorted the blade to get it to fit that little box.
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Gary_M
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Gary_M
06-22-10 10:28.50 - Post#2155039    

As far as I know,I think they're still the same old company they were before...located in the same building in Utica,NY that they've been in for decades. I used to stop in and visit their onsite outlet store located in one end of the building nearly everytime I was passing through during business hours...got some great deals on overruns and kitchen cutlery.
They're only about 70 miles from my house.I think they had a lot of their work done offshore in the last 10 years or so,and I'm hoping that their bringing more of it back in house.
I think Schrade and Camillus left a void that maybe they saw needed filling.
brianWE
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brianWE
06-22-10 10:33.00 - Post#2155043    

Thanks.

Stuff looks affordable.
Anyone using a Utica folder??
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Gary_M
06-22-10 10:36.51 - Post#2155047    

I'm thinking about trying one of their new ones soon. Here's more info..

http://www.kutmaster.com/about/
brianWE
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brianWE
06-22-10 11:10.12 - Post#2155056    

Yeah...saw that.

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k5
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06-22-10 16:56.10 - Post#2155265    

I looked at the Knifecenter selection.

They look pretty good.

I like the muskrat and the barlow in Big Pine.

I'd like to see one in person before I buy though.

I wish them success with their USA operation.

k5

PS Everbody needs a knife named Big Pine.
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2xTap
06-22-10 23:36.50 - Post#2155359    

I had heard they were doing stuff Stateside again but had no particulars on it all. For a short while now they have been doing some of the patterns for MooreMaker......Mike has a few on his site.

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wstwood
06-23-10 02:12.57 - Post#2155450    

How is the build quality on those Utica knives?

Walk & Talk?

F & F?
"When all other rights have been taken away, the right of rebellion is made perfect."

Thomas Paine.

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2xTap
06-23-10 06:24.57 - Post#2155596    

Don't know, ain't got any yet. I was thinking of getting one now but all I can find from dealers I trust is Utica's in Carbon Steel......I'm wanting stainless.

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keithw
06-24-10 00:37.52 - Post#2156079    

The Catskill small trapper that I bought seems to be of very good quality.
There are no gaps in the back springs.
The bone fits very tight against the bolsters.
The jigging is clean and even.
The snap is crisp, not like a Great Eastern, but sufficient.
I would compare it's walk and talk to a Boker.
I think my next one will be their Adirondack Barlow with 420 steel.
Overall, I think people will be pleased with these knives.

-Keith
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Garrett1
06-26-10 08:34.25 - Post#2157871    

  • wstwood Said:
utica huh?

I think I have heard of them in the foggy distant past.

American made?

GREAT!

We need MORE American made knives.


yes, by all means yes. DOWN WITH CHINESE KNIVES!
...this goes with taiwan and pakistan too
k5
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06-26-10 10:49.25 - Post#2157920    

NO,,, Let's keep the Chinese and Taiwan knives.

Lots of them are really good.

Dontcha have a Rough Rider or a CRKT ??

k5
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brianWE
06-26-10 11:28.54 - Post#2157944    

  • Quote:
NO,,, Let's keep the Chinese and Taiwan knives.

Lots of them are really good.

Dontcha have a Rough Rider or a CRKT ??



Absolutely

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2xTap
06-27-10 01:16.22 - Post#2158192    

  • Garrett1 Said:


yes, by all means yes. DOWN WITH CHINESE KNIVES!
...this goes with taiwan and pakistan too



Oh no, not another one of these guys!

Garrentt1, apparently you are not familiar with the quality side that comes out of some of these countries like the Chinese built Rough Riders or asian made Buck slippie line, or even the Byrd line from Spyderco.

The Chinese and Taiwan built Red Box Benchmades are another good example, as is the Taiwan built lines from Cold Steel and CRKT. These knives are known for exceptional quality at a affordable price, with good F&F and proper heat treat.

You also apparently didn't read much of this thread as it has hundreds of posts specifically dealing with such knives and how good they actually are......at least from those brands that maintain a good level of QC.

And while I, and many here, fully support American made products and particularly USA made knives......China and Taiwan have proven they can make a comparable quality product at a much cheaper price.

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Garrett1
06-27-10 09:56.47 - Post#2158507    

  • 2xTap Said:
  • Garrett1 Said:


yes, by all means yes. DOWN WITH CHINESE KNIVES!
...this goes with taiwan and pakistan too



Oh no, not another one of these guys!

Garrentt1, apparently you are not familiar with the quality side that comes out of some of these countries like the Chinese built Rough Riders or asian made Buck slippie line, or even the Byrd line from Spyderco.

The Chinese and Taiwan built Red Box Benchmades are another good example, as is the Taiwan built lines from Cold Steel and CRKT. These knives are known for exceptional quality at a affordable price, with good F&F and proper heat treat.

You also apparently didn't read much of this thread as it has hundreds of posts specifically dealing with such knives and how good they actually are......at least from those brands that maintain a good level of QC.

And while I, and many here, fully support American made products and particularly USA made knives......China and Taiwan have proven they can make a comparable quality product at a much cheaper price.

2xTap




well, this is true. but i have never owned a rough rider. i was talking mostly about the off brand knives, you know like the no namers.

by all means keep those companies listed, and a few others.

how come nobody listed pakistan?

anyways yall are right, i have a magnum knife that has done well, not as good as those listed, but well.
sorry if i hurt any feelings
k5
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06-27-10 14:32.24 - Post#2158648    

We won't burn you at the stake

And the few Pakistan knives I have seen were not
anywhere near the quality of China and Taiwan.

k5
Garrett1
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Garrett1
06-27-10 14:58.44 - Post#2158675    

now i have seen a korean knife, same as pakistan?
and what about japan?
2xTap
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2xTap
06-28-10 08:44.24 - Post#2159089    

Garrett1,

You ain't hurtin' any feelings here, we just making some experienced corrections. As to Pakistani-made knives.....they are what alot of the Chinese stuff use to be, junk.

Now the Japanese make a superb knife. Seki City and the like are excellent in their manufacture. Alot of Japanese made Spyderco's and Kershaw's, as well as Kanetsune and Mcusta, and especially Moki....all make great blades.

Of the asian imports, the Japanese stuff is the best.

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Jvan
06-29-10 03:25.24 - Post#2159680    

Mostly OT, I recently received a Beretta Loveless Skinner fixed blade that is made by Moki in Seki, it is without a doubt the most impeccably made knife I have ever owned. There is not a single thing that I can find wrong on it. Perfect F&F.

We now return to our regularly scheduled program.
John

"What one relishes, nourishes". - Benjamin Franklin

Life is tough, get a helmet!

Vive la Journeyman!

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Garrett1
06-29-10 08:09.49 - Post#2159832    

i see, and pakistan may move to where china stands and china may move to where japan stands and some other country may move to where pakistan stands.
i get it, thanks
wstwood
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wstwood
06-30-10 03:42.08 - Post#2160433    

  • k5 Said:
We won't burn you at the stake
k5




We wont?

Awww why not?

We have not burned anyone at the stake in.... well.... days!

And here I got rope and popcorn and everything.
"When all other rights have been taken away, the right of rebellion is made perfect."

Thomas Paine.

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Jvan
06-30-10 03:45.40 - Post#2160435    

String 'em up and pass the popcorn.
John

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Life is tough, get a helmet!

Vive la Journeyman!

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Garrett1
06-30-10 14:58.13 - Post#2160850    

yeah, popcorn! oh wait you're talking about me...




oh well... jk
wstwood
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wstwood
07-08-10 06:42.28 - Post#2165739    

We sacrifice one now and again.

Its fun!

That you have been chosen is an honor, not to be discounted.

"When all other rights have been taken away, the right of rebellion is made perfect."

Thomas Paine.

k5
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07-09-10 06:09.13 - Post#2166479    

Let's have a round of applause for Rough Rider
and Colt knives.

I need a boost every now and then.

I don't guess anyone's hand has rotted off from
using a RR has it ?

Any radioactive or toxic components ?

Somebody give me a good report.

thanks

k5
wstwood
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wstwood
07-09-10 07:06.05 - Post#2166531    

I love my RR's.

They fill a niche that nothing else will.

I use them for dirty work, jobs I wont use my 3 to 5 hundred dollar knives for.

They serve well.

Hold an edge reasonably well and stash in a pocket till needed.

I give them 2 thumbs up.

I have 70 of them.

I also carry at least one to give away to some poor soul who has no knife.

Then I dont entertain their requests for the loan of a knife.

I gave you one, where is it?
"When all other rights have been taken away, the right of rebellion is made perfect."

Thomas Paine.

Chief036
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07-09-10 07:08.02 - Post#2166532    

I got a new RR a couple of weeks ago, and I'm enjoying it immensely. I've been in a nostalgic mood the last month or so, so I got me a RR725 4" 3 blade stockman with yeller handles. I carried one almost just like it for most of my childhood and teenage years, and it did everything I wanted it to do.

As I've come to expect with RR, fit, finish, and function is flawless. I was also pleasently surprised the yellow composite handle material reduces the weight of the knife. This big old stockman weighs about as much as some of my smaller 3 blade slippies that have bone handles.

For less than $15 shipped, I'm very happy with my "get back to my childhood" pocketknife.


wstwood
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wstwood
07-09-10 08:07.07 - Post#2166589    

Yeah, you cant argue with the price of RR's.

They are one of the best value for the money knives going.
"When all other rights have been taken away, the right of rebellion is made perfect."

Thomas Paine.

Chief036
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07-09-10 08:37.20 - Post#2166611    

I'm blessed to have some really fine knives, including a couple of William/Henrys, and some customs. I carry them, and use them, on special occasions, but not everyday.

A RR in my pocket is kinda like having an older P/U truck for daily use knocking around the farm, while the Town Car stays in the garage, until Sundays, or out of town trips.

I don't abuse my knives or my vehicles, but I don't fret tracking mud into the old P/U like I would the car. Same with the RR. Dropping it in the gravel doesn't bother me near as much as it would if it was one of my W/H's. It's a $10 knife that far exceeds what one would expect for the amount of money spent, and the pragmatist in me appreciates that.


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2xTap
07-09-10 09:13.15 - Post#2166637    

  • Chief036 Said:


A RR in my pocket is kinda like having an older P/U truck for daily use knocking around the farm, while the Town Car stays in the garage, until Sundays, or out of town trips.

I don't abuse my knives or my vehicles, but I don't fret tracking mud into the old P/U like I would the car. Same with the RR. Dropping it in the gravel doesn't bother me near as much as it would if it was one of my W/H's. It's a $10 knife that far exceeds what one would expect for the amount of money spent, and the pragmatist in me appreciates that.





Well said, and I concur!

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wstwood
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wstwood
07-09-10 15:20.21 - Post#2166881    

I also agree with that.

A RR in the pocket is a nice feeling.

It can take what I am going to dish out to it.

I use my knives hard but don't abuse them.

That said, the RR knife will stand up to be counted.

"When all other rights have been taken away, the right of rebellion is made perfect."

Thomas Paine.

scosmo451
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scosmo451
07-13-10 07:16.00 - Post#2169627    

Not typically a slipjoint guy, except for SAKs, but this thread got me interested in Rough Riders. Like many threads on this forum, that got me to spend some money (my wife hates this site). Got a couple Rough Riders and a couple Chinese Imperials a month or so ago.



The RR Canoe (3-5/8") with fake tortoiseshell is stunning. The only FnF gripe I could come up with is a nitpicking "the shield could be countersunk better". Walk and talk is how I like - not overly stiff but no chance of it closing, much like a Wenger SAK. Very sharp on both blades and maintaining its edges well. This one has found its way in my pocket numerous days. It was $6.99

Below the canoe is a RR 4 blade Congress (3-5/8") in Midnight Swirl. It's the prettiest of the bunch and the quality is absolutely outstanding. I haven't used it yet. It only cost $8.99 so I really shouldn't be worried about messing it up, but it's just so nice.

The small Imperial Stockman in Purple Swirl is a jewel of a knife, just 2-3/4 inches. Great little knife to go with a Victorinox Classic on those few days I can't carry my normal complement of knives. Fit and finish very, very good, though maybe just a bit less than the RRs. Springs seem a little stronger than the RRs but I think that might be because the small blades don't give you much leverage. Still not hard to open or close. The handle material doesn't have quite the polish that the RRs do, but still quite nice. The best $4.99 knife I've ever seen.

The Imperial Medium (3-1/2") Trapper with Black Swirl is the one I've used the most and the only one that has bit me so far. Of the four, it is the roughest, but that is not to say it's really rough. I'd say the quality is at least equal to the American Buck slipjoints I've held and the springs are better than the Cases I've tried and smoother opening to boot. The spey blade, especially, came as sharp as any knife I've ever bought (that's the one that bit me, too) and it's holding its edge. The handle material is the same as the RR Congress but the RR has a higher polish to it. The butt end is amazing - there are 7 layers of metal there but you can't count them they're so smooth. It's got a good, hefty feel. At $5.99, you can't go wrong.

All told, that's $26.96 on four good knives, not including shipping, but I was making an order anyway. That's less than one Case stockman. I'll be buying a few more very soon.


brianWE
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brianWE
07-13-10 10:52.24 - Post#2169851    

Nice review....a pleasure to read
Brian W Edginton
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dalee
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07-14-10 05:44.33 - Post#2170383    

Hi,

Yes, a good review! I'm impressed by RR's fake tortoise shell too. I've got a RR Congress with it. It really has some depth to it. That midnight swirl looks on your Congress too.

dalee
k5
Master Member KnifeNut!

07-14-10 09:30.02 - Post#2170571    

Y'all have got me to thinking about that Midnite
Swirl. I know it is celluloid, but it sure looks
good. I might have to try one,,,, it's really
nice looking.

k5 ( RR Midnight Swirl )
wigoy
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07-14-10 10:20.11 - Post#2170604    

I've got a Whittler and Large Sodbuster(locking) in the faux Tortoishell.It's really beautiful stuff and I've got a feeling that as the brass liners dull, it will get an even more attractive hue.

Like the look of that Congress, not seen that model yet.
keithw
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keithw
07-15-10 01:27.34 - Post#2171015    

Thanks for the review.

I have RR canoes in black pearl and stag, and they're both great.
I haven't bought any of the Chinese Schrades yet, but it might be time.


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2xTap
07-15-10 08:56.11 - Post#2171332    

scosmo451,

Good review bud, thanks for posting. They are a great "bang for the buck" knife, hard to beat the quality for the price.

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k5
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07-15-10 09:02.45 - Post#2171341    

I'm still waiting for someone else to spend their
money to try out one of those Taylor Brand made
Hammer Brand knives.

Here is a pic from SMKW.

K5



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Gary_M
07-16-10 06:25.11 - Post#2171936    

I just looked at them at SMKW and noticed that Taylor somehow managed to trademark the phrase "US Army". I am dumbfounded...as a vet I just want to say I don't plan on putting that little "TM" next to US Army anytime in this life.
brianWE
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brianWE
07-16-10 08:47.01 - Post#2172035    

Didn't know that
But, I guess, it applies to a description or name of a knife or knives????

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Gary_M
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Gary_M
07-16-10 09:56.19 - Post#2172066    

I'm sure that's probably what it's about...just seems real tacky to me. It can't be that hard to come up with some other magical name for the line, but who would that fool?
bjf41
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bjf41
07-19-10 14:56.54 - Post#2174197    

Always great to read reviews of Rough Riders. Nice review. Thanks. Keep them coming.

BILL
k5
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07-19-10 15:23.54 - Post#2174216    

Good to hear from you, Bill.

It's been a while since you commented.


k5
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bjf41
07-19-10 17:00.20 - Post#2174268    

  • k5 Said:
Good to hear from you, Bill.

It's been a while since you commented.


k5



Thanks K5. I haven't posted much because money has gone from not to good, to pretty bad. And these forums always seems to make me spend money, so I tend to stay away when things are not good. But I am in a position now that even if I wanted to grab a new knife, it can't happen. So I think it is safe. LOL

Reading this thread has made me buy some Rough Riders and others I would not have doen. But I did not ever carry/ use them. I figured why? When I have really nice USA made Case knives, why carry one of these? Well you all have finally talked me into it. I just pulled out two of my case's. The one with Chinese, and one with Case. I put the Case knives away and got out others.

I got out a Buck Chinese made Canoe with really nice stag. A small medium stockman Rough Rider in Burl wood. A Kissing Crane Copperhead w/ rams horn. And medium Stockman Sowbelly Stockman. At least that is what I think it is. LOL I think most of these I do not have pics of. And I gave my daughter my digital SLR to use in her photography schooling, so I don't have anything to take pictures with right now. Except my film camera. That takes time and money. So I will have to see what I can do to post some pices of these fine knives. I will be picking from these to carry for a while.

Peace,

Bill
k5
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07-20-10 17:19.36 - Post#2175044    

Bill,

I hope you can work things out soon.

I know what you mean about these posts causing
one to spend money.

I have to watch myself pretty close these days too.

best regards,
k5
mley1
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mley1
07-20-10 23:16.41 - Post#2175138    

You know guy's I think this forum affects a lot of us, this thread in particular. Since I've started reading it I've bought 8 RR's, of different sizes. And, even as inexpensive as the RR's are it gets costly pretty quick. They are nice knives for the money though.
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2xTap
07-21-10 12:37.24 - Post#2175699    

I am glad I could be your Enabler.....it makes me proud!

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bjf41
07-21-10 15:11.17 - Post#2175819    

  • 2xTap Said:
I am glad I could be your Enabler.....it makes me proud!

2xTap



Don't we all just love to help/push people into buying knives? Not that it takes much. Why not? They do it to us. We do it to them. What are friends for?
Bill



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2xTap
07-27-10 08:05.13 - Post#2179553    

Been a little while since I've been able to add any relevant discussion to this thread I created. Been to busy buying Case, Queen, and GEC's......been neglecting the otherside of my collection.

Well, today I get to add another well made import piece for your perusal. I took a drive to my local Bass Pro Shop today to check out some stuff, was looking at possibly getting a few Case pieces but they want too damn much for them there. Not one to be surrounded by Guns, Knives, and Multi-tools and leave empty handed.....I started looking at some of their Buck and SOG stuff when I eyed these Redheads. Through the clamshell packaging I could tell everyone I looked at was well built. Real solid construction throughout the backspring area. Decided to get one as the price was cheap enough. I opted for the wood scaled version as the few jigged bone versions they had there not one had scales a color that matched worth a damn.....and the Stag versions were too pricey for imports.

All the patterns in these lines were small, the only one that appealed to me was the Stockman.

Anyway, for those that don't know Redhead is a Bass Pro Shop brand. This particular piece is a 3-blade Stockman at 3 1/2" closed. Blades are brush finished 7Cr17 Stainless and hollow ground. Liners, bolsters, pins, and backsprings are also stainless steel and done over in a fine brush finish as well. Scales are wood.....not sure what kind of wood but they look like a dark walnut to me.

The buld on it is quite superb, equal of my best Rough Riders. Nearly gap free throughout. Blade and edge grinds are clean and even, edges are very sharp, backsprings sit flush with blades opened or closed and they are the perfect stoutness.....not light but not real heavy either. All blades open smoothly with real good "walk & talk" and not one of them has any lateral play. The finish on all the stainless parts is very clean and even and the fit of scales to the liners and bolsters is excellent. Rubbing your finger across the sides of this thing the only transition you feel is the surface difference between the bolsters and scales. Even the pins are set in smooth. To be honest the only thing I could readily make out was the shield. Real good fit on these.



The only complaint I have with this, and it's not so much a complaint as it is a prefernce......in a Stockman this size it looses some of it's pocketability due to the fact that this one is a three backspring version. This wouldn't be an issue if it weren't for the fact they use some decently thick blade stock for such a small slippie........



.........for a 3 1/2" closed Stockman these two factors make it rather thick for it's size. But then again these also make the knife handle better in the hand.

All and all though it's a damn good slippie for a off-brand. It also came with a nice liitle pull-string satin pouch to carry it in. Not bad for $19.99, especially given it's excellent fit and finish.

For those who like the Rough Riders and the Buck imported line of slippies, these are definitely worth a look.

2xTap
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scosmo451
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scosmo451
07-27-10 09:27.13 - Post#2179620    

I'll be at Bass Pro tomorrow and was wondering what I was going to pick up. Looks like it might be one of these. Or two...
Switchback
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Switchback
07-27-10 09:40.25 - Post#2179636    

Hmm.....never heard of the Red Heads.

I kinda like it though. Especially the three backsprings. I think the thickness would actually be a plus for me.

Rick T.

2xTap
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2xTap
07-27-10 10:22.39 - Post#2179673    

  • scosmo451 Said:
I'll be at Bass Pro tomorrow and was wondering what I was going to pick up. Looks like it might be one of these. Or two...



They have 5 patterns in each of the three handle materials I saw while I was there.....Wood, Brown Jigged Bone, and Stag.

I just looked on their website and the wood is Black Sandalwood. It's good looking stuff, as is their Stag and Brown Jigged Bone. Problem I had was they only had a couple bone Stockman left and both had seriously mismatched scales.....both being a very light Brown on the shield side and a real dark brown on the backside scale. It looked like people had rumaged through them for the best ones and the last couple left were the badly mismatched ones. Hopefully they'll get some more put out by my next visit.

I look forward to seeing what you get!

2xTap
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LC
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LC
07-30-10 04:07.03 - Post#2181624    


Seanski
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Seanski
07-31-10 08:10.59 - Post#2182453    

Hey Guys, I'm new to this forum and this is my first post. Glad to be putting it in this thread.
I have a few RR knives coming in the mail and discovered the thread while doing a google search.
I have a couple of Barlow's and a Half Whittler
coming and from the sounds of things they are going to do me just fine.
I know 2tap from another forum. Anyhow, looking
forward to participating.
Switchback
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Switchback
07-31-10 08:41.14 - Post#2182482    

Welcome, Seanski.

I hope you like your new Rough Riders.

I don't know about the other forum that you speak of but on this forum, 2xTap has a reputation for being the Official Forum Enabler. I do believe he's right proud of it too.

Just funnin' with ya, 2xTap.

Again, welcome. Hope you enjoy hangin' out here as much as I do.
Rick T.

Chief036
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07-31-10 09:19.29 - Post#2182503    

Be sure and let us know what you think of the RR's when you get them Seanski.
Seanski
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Seanski
07-31-10 12:27.06 - Post#2182586    

Thanks very much, willdo fella's.
bjf41
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bjf41
07-31-10 14:04.03 - Post#2182628    

Welcome.

And of course, post pictures of them as well.
Bill



2xTap
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2xTap
07-31-10 14:20.37 - Post#2182638    

Sean,

Welcome to KF bud, good to see you here.

But be warned, this forum will make you spend lots of money. And spend enough time here and you'll be able to write a whole new definition for the word "Addiction"!

And please let us know about your Rough Riders when you get them. Good, bad, or indifferent.

  • Switchback Said:


I don't know about the other forum that you speak of but on this forum, 2xTap has a reputation for being the Official Forum Enabler. I do believe he's right proud of it too.





I wear it like a badge of honor!

2xTap
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k5
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08-01-10 10:50.07 - Post#2183199    

Welcome to our little group, Seanski.

I look forward to hearing from you.

k5
Seanski
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Seanski
08-01-10 12:35.35 - Post#2183263    

2xtap & k5 thank very much will look forward to
the arrival and usage of the Rough Riders.
TLARbb
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08-11-10 11:17.40 - Post#2190164    

I plan to look at some Rough Riders and maybe some Steel Warriors this weekend. I'd rather make my first purchases face to face with my eyes and hands one the hardware, before I order over the internet.

I'm going to look at some of the Colts if they have any too. I've seen a few of them that look nice in the photos.

I really don't have to buy any of these brands as beaters as I have a coffee pail full of German Bulldogs with celluloid handles that I need to use before they self destruct.

Does this site allow give aways?

Ed
Switchback
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Switchback
08-11-10 11:49.46 - Post#2190178    

I have been wondering if the Colt Railsplitter is of any good quality.

If you happen to see one of those, would you mind letting me know what you think of it?

Rick T.

k5
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08-12-10 12:22.37 - Post#2190899    

Rick,

I have one of these Colt Railsplitters I bought
back around Christmas time from SMKW.

It is perhaps one of the best built knives I own.

The quality on these brown bone stag knives was
very good. I bought 4 different patterns and not a bad one in the bunch. My favorites are the railsplitter and the canoe.

I hope you would have as good of luck as I did.

k5
Switchback
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Switchback
08-12-10 13:12.37 - Post#2190930    

Thanks for that, k5. I've been eyeballing those for some time now. If you like yours I'm sure I would like mine too if I got one.

I feel like I am starting to stear this topic in a different direction than it was meant to go so I am going to send you a private topic with another question that I have regarding this knife.

Thanks for your input.

PM on the way soon.
Rick T.

2xTap
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2xTap
08-14-10 01:44.40 - Post#2191938    

Switchback,

I don't own the Railsplitter from this series but I do own the 2 different versions of the Gunstock in this run and both of mine are of exceptional build quality. They are the absolute best asian import pieces I have in my collection.

And bud, you ain't steering this topic in another direction. Your questions are what I put this thread up for. Open discussion on inexpensive slipjoints of quality make. Be that questions about a particular model or make, personal reviews and observations, or just ideas on these types of knives.

Any questions you may have might be ones someone else might have as well.....the collected knowledge here is for everyone so ask away my friend.

2xTap
"Knives and Flashlights are like Guns....you can never have too many!"

Switchback
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Switchback
08-14-10 03:43.20 - Post#2191992    

Thanks, 2xTap.

I just ordered a Colt Railsplitter yesterday. Should be here Monday or Tuesday. Can't wait to check it out.

It probably won't be a user because I am still extremely happy with my Schatt & Morgan Railsplitter as an EDC knife. But it's possible that I might rotate it if I like it as much as you guys like yours.

I just couldn't resist this Colt model because it's so inexpensive and k5 seems to like his a lot too.


  • Quote:
And bud, you ain't steering this topic in another direction. Your questions are what I put this thread up for. Open discussion on inexpensive slipjoints of quality make. Be that questions about a particular model or make, personal reviews and observations, or just ideas on these types of knives.

Any questions you may have might be ones someone else might have as well.....the collected knowledge here is for everyone so ask away my friend.



Thanks for the encouragement. Sometimes I tend to overthink things.
Rick T.

k5
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08-14-10 14:47.00 - Post#2192243    

Hey, I'm the KING of overthinking things.

You'll never catch up with me.

PS. The Colt RS is a 4 blade version and is a lot
"fatter" than the 3 blade S&M I have.
It may be a little larger in the pocket, but
I really like mine - a good user.

k5
Switchback
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Switchback
08-14-10 14:52.45 - Post#2192248    

That's great news!

"Fatter" would be just fine by me!
Rick T.

Switchback
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Switchback
08-17-10 08:28.05 - Post#2194074    

My Colt Railsplitter showed up today. k5 and 2xTap were right on the money. This baby is sweet!

It came with this nice presentation box.




It has four blades but I don't know the blade steel. Probably 440A but I can't prove it. The Brown Stag Bone handles are quite nice and well executed.





The tangs are all stamped with "Colt" and the clip blade is etched on the other side with the part number and the phrase below.



It's the classic Railsplitter design just like my Schatt & Morgan Railsplitter only with four blades instead of three.



It has two backsprings just like the S&M but it's substantially wider. The width measures 11/16" at the bolsters and 13/16" at the widest point.




I got this one for $24.50 including shipping. It's a great quality knife for the price. I might have to check out some of the other Colts in this series.

I'm a big fan of the Railsplitter frame and I wish more knifemakers would make them.

I'm not ready to say that I like this Colt better than my S&M but it is one fine knife and it has the potential to possibly change my thoughts on that in the future.

I am extremely attached to my S&M Railsplitter and the fact that I even typed the sentence above says a lot for this Colt.
Rick T.

wescobts
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wescobts
08-17-10 11:45.25 - Post#2194184    

Where does one get said knife for such a fair price ?
Switchback
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Switchback
08-17-10 12:38.18 - Post#2194217    

I got mine on Ebay.

Sellers name is "farmerje".

I just checked and he has another one listed for the same price. Do a search for "Colt Railsplitter" on Ebay and it's the only one that comes up.
Rick T.

k5
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08-17-10 14:40.34 - Post#2194316    

Glad you got ur knife !

Are u satisfied with the spring tension ?
Basically the build quality is pretty good ?

NO,,, it will never be the same as a real S&M.

If I were running the Colt show,,, I think would try to offer this same line of knives in something other than brown bonestag,,, cud be
cause I have 4 of 'em.

I'll bet they cud make a nice one in red bone.

I also wanted to ask you, Switchback, if you had ever tried a Case Sowbelly. Now there is another
good-sized knife that is sturdy and fills up my hand real nice.

k5
Switchback
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Switchback
08-17-10 22:30.33 - Post#2194465    

The spring tension on mine is OK. None of the blades are hard to open and all but the spey blade have reasonably good snap.

I think the build quality is very good. Especially for a $25.00 knife. The only flaw I can detect is that some of the pins are not exactly flush with the handle. Some of them stick out slightly but not a big deal. This is probably because of the way the handles are cut. I guess it would be kinda hard to make the pins flush with all those deep grooves in the bone.

The thing I like best about the Colt is it's width. It's a chunky little slippie and I like that.

I forgot to mention that all of the blades have half stops.

Red Bone would be awesome!

I have never even handled a Case Sowbelly. I have a Rough Rider Sowbelly with the Stockman blade pattern but that is the only Sowbelly I've ever handled. Does Case currently make a Sowbelly or would I need to look for an older one?
Rick T.

2xTap
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2xTap
08-18-10 08:48.29 - Post#2194865    

Switchback,

Good to hear you got a good one and you like it. For the money they are real sweet. It's one I myself have been wanting as I only have the two Gunstock patterns from this Series, and I am a fan of the Railsplitter pattern.

As to the Case Sowbelly, their #39 pattern is currently in the Case Vault, not to be made for about another year or so. But some of older the runs of this pattern are still out there to be had.

2xTap
"Knives and Flashlights are like Guns....you can never have too many!"

k5
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08-19-10 11:22.06 - Post#2195811    

Switchback,

I hope you are growing more and more fond of that
Colt Railsplitter.
All of the blades on mine came with good snap.

I also bought one of the large splitback whittlers
from that series. It is an awesome, big whittler.
The main blade has plenty good spring strength,
but the 2 small blades at the other end are approaching what I call weak.
I enjoy it mostly for the large blade - massive thing.

As much as I like the Railsplitter pattern,
If I had to choose between them and a Case Sowbelly,,, I'd really have to think about it.
The Case Sowbelly is really "user friendly" and
it seems to be built really strong.
But then some people may not like the way the spay
blade comes out at an angle.
I think it's a great camp knife,, I wish that I had one back when I was in the Boy Scouts.

k5
Switchback
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Switchback
08-19-10 12:59.43 - Post#2195884    

Hmmm...........the Case Sowbelly might be something I would want to check out.

I'm planning a trip to Grand Prairie Knives in a couple weeks. At this time I don't have a particular knife in mind but I know I will come home with something.

Maybe they will have a Sowbelly.
Rick T.

Switchback
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Switchback
08-19-10 13:41.34 - Post#2195917    

  • k5 Said:
Switchback,

I hope you are growing more and more fond of that
Colt Railsplitter.



I am quite fond of it.
I'm actually thinking about getting another one to give to an unsespecting recipient.
Rick T.

k5
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08-19-10 16:59.31 - Post#2196043    

Good man !


k5
2xTap
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2xTap
08-21-10 07:00.38 - Post#2197182    

  • Switchback Said:
  • k5 Said:
Switchback,

I hope you are growing more and more fond of that
Colt Railsplitter.



I am quite fond of it.
I'm actually thinking about getting another one to give to an unsespecting recipient.



Very cool!

2xTap
"Knives and Flashlights are like Guns....you can never have too many!"

Seanski
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Seanski
08-22-10 01:58.16 - Post#2197627    

Thanks for the pic's of the Colt. They are fine,
fine looking knives for the dollars spent! It's
on my short list of brands to try.
DugWin
Member

08-25-10 06:33.41 - Post#2199631    

Great thread!

I don't mind spending money on excellent quality knives, but I do like to have a few decent quality cheapies around.

I picked this slippie up at an independently owned hardware store today for $7.99. They had a bin of cheap knives, mostly crappy looking tactical junk that I wouldn't take for free, and this. It feels well put together, the blades don't jiggle, and it seems solid enough. It's about 3 1/4" closed.



I want to find out what company made it out of pure curiosity but the only markings on the blades are Made in China, and 440 Stainless Steel. There is a word that looks like a brand name on the inside of the handle that I can barely read. It may be POWSTA, OR POWDTA, OR POW/TA, but Googling those doesn't help. There was a sticker on it that said: Model# RK-12B.
Dave1960
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08-25-10 06:42.43 - Post#2199637    

Somebody asked about the modern Hammer Brand knives.

I got one of the Cigar Whittlers when I went to the SMKW store. Only thing wrong with it is a funky grind on the main blade. Fit and finish are good, strong springs and no blade wobble.

Let me do some stuff and maybe I'll get a pic or two up...
k5
Master Member KnifeNut!

08-25-10 07:06.54 - Post#2199652    

DUG,

Your knife looks similar to the ones marketed by
Winchester. You can see them at WalMart.
They are imported by Carolina Knife and Tool ( I think ! )

It would be hard to say which China factory made it.




DAVE,

Thanks for your comment on the Hammer brand knife.
You are the first person to provide info.
I am still curious about them.

k5
Dave1960
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08-25-10 07:22.51 - Post#2199665    

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Not as good of F&F as I recall but not TOO bad.....
dalee
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08-26-10 16:14.41 - Post#2200674    

Hi,

I've been pretty busy lately, so I haven't been around too much. But I've recently made a few acquisitions. One of which I thought might be of interest to this thread.

It's SanRenMu HO2. Kind of a modern looking slip-joint from China.







Fit and finish is very, very good. The blade is mirror polished and the frame is too. The blade opens smoothly with the thumb studs and snaps into the full open position. When closed, it's dead centered in the frame. There is no wobble or play in the blade either.

Interestingly, it is described as a lock back by the manufacturer. And the blade tang does have a notch in the tang just like a lock back. And the back spring has a little bump on the end that falls into the notch. But there is no lock mechanism. It is simply held in place by the spring tension of the back spring. And it opens and closes like any other slip-joint. A system that works well.

But the best thing about the blade is the 8Cr13Mov steel. At 58Rc, it's a noticeable step up in performance from the typical 420HC, AUS6, 440A type steels we normally see in this price range, (under $20). It's been far more wear resistant and less prone to rolling the edge than the other common slip-joint stainless steels used. I would rate it better than Case Tru-Sharp and even Buck's Bose heat treatment.

The scales are plastic with some pearlescence to them. The fun thing about them is that they are simply screwed on. Making them easy targets for replacement or modification.

Couple things I don't like on this knife. I could be OK with the file work on the back spring if they hadn't gold coated it. Kind of makes it look cheesy. Like you won the thing on the Midway of the county fair. And I don't care for the thumb studs. They actually limit the cutting edge length some. I would prefer a simple nail nick. Heck, it pinch opens easy enough. I'm considering removing the studs and cutting a pierced slot in the spine of the blade.

All in all though, for less than $11, air mailed from Hong Kong, it's a keeper.

dalee
k5
Master Member KnifeNut!

08-26-10 17:58.29 - Post#2200736    

Looks like you did alright, dalee.

That there gold ain't gonna hurt you none!

good to hear from you,

k5
k5
Master Member KnifeNut!

08-26-10 18:02.32 - Post#2200739    

Thanks for the pics on that Hammer whittler.

Looking at the spine,, it looks pretty good.

Keep us posted as to how it performs.


k5
Switchback
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Switchback
08-27-10 07:14.53 - Post#2201124    

Not a bad looking knife there, dalee. I didn't know they made a slipjoint. I think I saw that knife on their website but I just assumed it was a liner lock.

I'm waiting on a SanRenMu (GB-763 I think) that shipped on 8/15/10. It's not a slipjoint though. It's one of their small axis lock knives. Mine shipped from Hong Kong too.

If you don't mind my asking, how long did it take yours to arrive?

Thanks.
Rick T.

scosmo451
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scosmo451
08-27-10 11:39.50 - Post#2201360    

Got my latest order of inexpensive slipjoints in from SMKW and thought I would share.

First off is the "Imperial Schrade® Congress with Cracked Ice Celluloid Handle" http://www.smkw.com/webapp/eCommerc...

$5.99
·Stainless steel blades
·Cracked Ice celluloid handle
·Nickel silver pins
·Stainless steel liners, bolsters and shield
·1-3/4" coping blade length
·1-7/8" sheepfoot blade length
·2-1/4" 2 sheepfoot blade length
·3-5/8" closed

Overall, my take is that it is very, very decent for the price, but not really an exciting knife. The Cracked Ice celluloid is rather bland looking, with just not quite the polish that RR accomplishes. The bolsters are nice, kind of halfway between mirror polished and brushed. Blades are satin finish. Springs sit even when closed; with open blades, one end sits a bit more proud than the other, but the pic below actually exaggerates the look. Blades are thin stock and have good flexibility. They open with no half-stops and no wiggle room. All in all, a good little knife, but something other than cracked ice would be better.








scosmo451
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scosmo451
08-27-10 11:55.32 - Post#2201370    

Next up we have a "Rough Rider™ Trapper with Midnight Swirl Composition Handle" http://www.smkw.com/webapp/eCommerc...

$8.99

·440 stainless steel blades
·Master blade etch
·Midnight Swirl composition handle
·Brass pins and liners
·Nickel silver shield and fluted bolsters
·3" clip blade
·3" spey blade
·4-1/8" closed

This is a big one - over 4 inches closed, nearly 7 1/2" opened. Mostly I got it because I was using the smaller Trapper (reported in the thread before) and wanted to try a larger one. I like it, size and otherwise. In the pics below, you'll see a couple spots where the scales don't quite meet up with the metal - that's about all there is to complain about. Polish on blades, bolsters and scales is excellent. Finish on the brass is good. No half stops with smooth opening blades. Opening, the springs do not seem very strong, but when open, the blades are securely open. Springs are flush, open or closed. Blades have good thickness for the length - if anything, they could probably be thinner.








scosmo451
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scosmo451
08-27-10 12:12.34 - Post#2201377    

Next is the most expensive and the worst of the group: the "Remington® Sportsman™ Series Insignia Edition™ Whittler with Burl Wood Handle" http://www.smkw.com/webapp/eCommerc...

$14.99

·440 stainless steel blades
·Burl wood handle
·Brass liners
·Nickel silver pins, bolsters and Sportsman™ Series shield
·3-1/2" closed

This knife fails to impress. The only really good things I have to say are that the wood is attractive and so is the finish on the bolsters. The scales are not the same thickness on both sides, the shield fits horribly, springs are inconsistent (though strong enough), the blades do not open smoothly and still feel gritty after a good cleaning, the grinds are off. I've included more pictures on this one so you can see for yourself. If you're interested in one of these, you can't even pick out a good one - it comes in a clam pack.




















scosmo451
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scosmo451
08-27-10 12:25.01 - Post#2201386    

And the final one for the night - one many of you may be familiar with in previous incarnations. The "Schrade® Old Timer® Hunter's Collection Senior Stockman" http://www.smkw.com/webapp/eCommerc...

$9.99

·Stainless steel blades
·Blaze orange sawcut Delrin® handle
·Brass pins and liners
·Nickel silver bolsters and shield
·2" spey blade length
·2-1/4" sheepfoot blade length
·3" clip pt blade length
·3-7/8" closed
·SMKW Exclusive

This is my favorite of the bunch, though the RR Trapper is prettier. Nice orange handles for when I drop it fishing, and I think the orange looks good with the brass finishes. The only real flaw is a small space between the bolster and scale, which you can see below. Something not a flaw, but that could be an issue is that the corners are not rounded - sharp, square corners that could be rough on your pants. Walk and talk is excellent, with springs sitting flush opened or closed. Good heft. This is a winner and has been spending its day in my pocket.










dalee
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08-27-10 12:52.48 - Post#2201407    

Hi,

Thanks, I was actually hoping it somehow was a small lock back. But I didn't really think it was even looking at the photos. I think it's the only slip-joint pattern they make.

The slip-joint took about 13 days. I also got a small lock back, that's really a lock back. That one took almost 20 days not counting weekends.

The guys I ordered from were pretty accurate on estimated time.

dalee
Switchback
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Switchback
08-27-10 13:20.49 - Post#2201443    

OK, thanks.

They told me 15 days so I should be getting it maybe next week.

The lock on mine looks just like the Benchmade Axis Lock in the photos. Identical as far as I can tell. They even call it the Axis Lock. I have no idea how they get by with that but I'm looking forward to checking out the knife.

Mine was $11.00 plus $6.75 shipping.

Thanks for the info.
Rick T.

Switchback
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Switchback
08-27-10 13:53.50 - Post#2201463    

Thanks for the reviews, scosmo451.

I like that Imperial Schrade Congress the best.
I didn't even know those existed.

The orange handles on that Schrade Old Timer look pretty sweet too.
Rick T.

k5
Master Member KnifeNut!

08-27-10 14:06.01 - Post#2201471    

Thanks for all the pictures and reviews.

Good info for us to consider.


k5

PS Do you still receive the SMKW catalog in the
mail I order from them online and I
don't get the paper catalogs anymore.
2xTap
Master Member KnifeNut!

2xTap
08-27-10 14:41.53 - Post#2201494    

scosmo451,

Good reviews and pics, and thanks for the heads up on that Orange OT. I haven't got any of the new Taylor made Schrades yet and was eyeing that very one as my possible first.

And the imported Remington Sportsman Series slippies are a hit or miss affair. I have one of the earlier Black Delrin Scouts and it's decent, but not up to the level of the RR's.

2xTap
"Knives and Flashlights are like Guns....you can never have too many!"

scosmo451
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scosmo451
08-28-10 10:31.19 - Post#2202029    

  • k5 Said:

k5

PS Do you still receive the SMKW catalog in the
mail I order from them online and I
don't get the paper catalogs anymore.




I don't get them, either. I was surprised that this latest box didn't have a single flyer or catalog. Even the last order in June, I got a small catalog and some flyers. I guess there cutting costs.
k5
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08-28-10 14:14.27 - Post#2202186    

I think SMKW has been spending money upgrading
their web site. It makes sense to cut back on the
paper catalogs. I have received one in the mail every month for years.

But things are rapidly moving towards the web.

What will I read while I'm in the "library"?

k5
wescobts
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wescobts
08-29-10 01:49.38 - Post#2202381    

You don't have a computer in the "library" ? shame on you
scosmo451
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scosmo451
08-29-10 05:17.42 - Post#2202496    

Sometimes I go in the "library" to get away from the computer.
wstwood
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wstwood
08-29-10 18:49.06 - Post#2202881    

Get away from your computer?

Why would you want to do that?
"When all other rights have been taken away, the right of rebellion is made perfect."

Thomas Paine.

2xTap
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2xTap
09-04-10 09:22.59 - Post#2206289    

Been a little while since I've had anything to post about here on the "inexpensive" side, but after getting those two Northwoods and that Colonel Coon I was due. I recently picked up a few to add to the stable. And this first one was a bit of a surprise.

I haven't bought any of the new Taylor made Schrades since their introduction because I have heard alot about bad F&F and weak backsprings on them. But after seeing their new release of Orange Delrin versions, which I really liked the look of, I decided to get one to try out.

This one is the 8OTO Old Timer Stockman. It's 3 7/8" closed with stainless blades, nickle/silver bolsters, brass liners and pins, and Orange saw-cut delrin scales.

For a $10 slippie it is surprisingly good overall. A few minor issues are the fit between the scales and bolsters, they ain't quite seamless here but in no way real bad. Just some real minor gaps between the two. Second is a small faint hairline gap between the mainblades backspring and the brass backspring spacer, about an inch or so long but real faint and minor.....



And third is more of a personal taste thing, the Spey Blade on this thing has a weird shape. It's an ugly looking blade. Everytime I open the blades on this thing, and see that odd shaped Spey, it makes me wince!

But overall it's built real well. The blades have clean grinds with a nice brush finish on them, the edge bevels are fairly even and quite sharp, all three blades are sans any lateral play, backsprings sit flush with blades opened or closed, and the backsprings all the way around on this are quite stout.....this thing "walks & talks" quite well.

It's build overall is very close in quality to the Rough Riders in my view. The longevity of it's build and the heat treat on the blades is still an unkown to me......but on the F&F side it's real close. For $10 this one is a good buy so far.

2xTap
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2xTap
09-04-10 09:58.43 - Post#2206302    

Next up is a Rough Rider from their new Twisted Brown Bone series. This one their serpentine Stockman that's very similar to Case's #47 pattern.....this RR version being 3 15/16" closed.

Typical RR build with mirror polished 440A stainless blades with matchstrikers, brass liners and pins, and nickle/silver grooved bolsters. This one also sports Rough Rider's new "bomb" shield.

F&F is real good although the backspring area has a few minor hairline gaps....



.....but otherwise typical Rough Rider F&F with clean edge grinds and even edge bevels that are shaving sharp, backsprings that have good stoutness and remain flush with the blades opened or closed, flawless mirror polish throughout, and zero blade play anywhere. Aside from the minor issues with the backspring area the rest is gap free.

The bone looks very similar to RR's Tobacco Bone but with a grooved look.....kind of like the bone was pushed through a barrel with some serious polygonal rifling!

All and all another nice piece from RR at a very inexpensive $12.99!

2xTap
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dalee
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09-04-10 11:19.36 - Post#2206332    

Hi,

I like that RR 2xTap. The jigging is different yet very nice. And I really like the shield. Goes well with the bone.

dalee
k5
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09-04-10 13:58.12 - Post#2206390    

I like 'em both.

I have seen other brands of knives with that shape on their spay blade. I don't mind it at all. Maybe it will grow on you.

The RR is one that I have not seen before. Very nice.

Since I have enough RR for now,,, I am leaning towards the orange Schrade,,, just might try one.

Although I have a USA made Schade Improved Muskrat that is MINT,,, I really prefer the stockman pattern.

Thanks for the pics and reports

k5

ps,,, can you tell where you got these knives ?
If you would rather not say,, I can understand that.
2xTap
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2xTap
09-04-10 17:23.02 - Post#2206474    

k5,

I got them both from SMKW's. I got another new RR as well I haven't posted up yet. Real nice San-Mai Damascus piece.....should have pics up tomorrow.

2xTap
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Jvan
09-07-10 00:35.42 - Post#2207727    

With all this talk about inexpensive quality and the Colts I have purchased I have completely overlooked an older purchase. Much older actually. For years I have had Parker Cut. Co. K-341 3" lock back with beautiful thick stag handle scales.

To this day there is zero blade play and only the tiniest amount of daylight between the spring and liners. It is stainless and made in Japan but holds an edge quite well. The knife is my watch pocket knife and has seen a lot of use these past several years.

It truly is inexpensive quality.
John

"What one relishes, nourishes". - Benjamin Franklin

Life is tough, get a helmet!

Vive la Journeyman!

wstwood
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wstwood
09-07-10 07:49.32 - Post#2207952    

Kool!

Sounds like you got a keeper in a kutco.

I was at the auto parts store the other day, now I may go back for this, $1795 for a stockman, off brand.

No blade play.

No blade rub.

No gaps in the back springs.

Pretty darn nicely crafted knife.

They had a case full of different slippies.

This was the only stockman.

They are out there.

And for $17, you cant get hurt. the shipping alone could be 6 bux. so you got an $11 knife.

Yeah maybe I will go back and see if it is still there!
"When all other rights have been taken away, the right of rebellion is made perfect."

Thomas Paine.

k5
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09-07-10 17:02.25 - Post#2208239    

I have a pair of Parker Wildcat lockback knives.

I bought one well-used for $3, and the other was
mint for $18.

They are both light brown smooth bone.

I sharpened up the old one, disfigured blade and
all. It works for opening boxes, etc.

Both are 3" long closed-length, lockback.

Neat little knives.

k5
Ky Greg
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Ky Greg
10-18-10 11:03.48 - Post#2229588    

I hope this don't crash the server, but I just can't stand telling about something without having visuals to go along with it....anyway the mailman dropped this off today and so far I'm just as happy as can be with it.

Imperial/Schrade large sodbuster imp22l, nice tight blade which doesn't wobble, (dang it! I just nicked myself.. duh way to go Greg!) the F&F is about as good as I've seen on a China made, good as a Case IMO, and quite a bit better than my Bear & Son soddy lockback (but I still love it)... I know what the men folk in my family will find in their stockings this Christmas!







Garrett1
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Garrett1
10-19-10 15:11.43 - Post#2229916    

how's the opening on it? the spring strength?

Ky Greg
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Ky Greg
10-19-10 17:18.51 - Post#2229954    

Opening spring strength is good...not thumbnail breaking by any means, but good.
I ordered a dozen of the yellow Jr. model today for stocking stuffer type Christmas gifts.
k5
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10-20-10 17:44.19 - Post#2230419    

Has anyone seen one of those new Schrade Walden
Brown jigged bone knives, China made/Taylor Cutlery?

They are all over the front cover flap of the new
Christmas SMKW catalog.

In the catalog photos they look sort of green, but
the description says Brown Jigged Bone.

I think they look pretty good, but they want 18 and 20 bux each for them and I ain't sure they are
as good as a rough rider or a colt.

k5
2xTap
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2xTap
10-21-10 08:51.18 - Post#2230620    

k5,

Yeah, saw them on their show the last few times it aired. I have a couple of them saved in my cart on their website.....was going to get a couple but a Case piece I had to have crossed my path so my order of these was put on hold.

2xTap
"Knives and Flashlights are like Guns....you can never have too many!"

k5
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10-29-10 15:38.48 - Post#2233360    

Well

I received in the mail today 2 of these new
Schrade Walden 65th anniversary brown bone knives.

The split back whittler is OK.

The serpentine swayback jack has a fatal design flaw. The nail nick for the master blade is 99.5%
hidden by the smaller pen blade - just no way to
open the main blade without FIRST opening the
small pen blade.

AND the "kick" is not sufficient to be ground down
on the small pen blade. It has no anglar kick as per normal, it has a very rounded cam-like kick that leaves me no access to grind it down without
disassembling the knife.

It's going back in tomorrow's mail.

I think I'll stick to Rough Riders.

k5
k5
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10-30-10 15:20.50 - Post#2233686    

You know I meant to say ANGULAR kick.

I've looked at it some more,, there is no way I could get down in there to grind it down without
totally messing up the brass liners.

I do not regret buying the split back whittler.
It is pretty nice, but not on the Fit and Finish
level with the recent Colts and most Rough Riders.

k5
2xTap
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2xTap
10-31-10 04:06.37 - Post#2233813    

k5,

Man that sucks....sorry to hear they did not come as they should. Might rethink my wanting to get some now as well. Thanks for the heads up.

2xTap
"Knives and Flashlights are like Guns....you can never have too many!"

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wstwood
10-31-10 06:03.50 - Post#2233846    

Yeah sounds like I did good sticking to my Rough Riders.

A kick you cant file? That SUX!
"When all other rights have been taken away, the right of rebellion is made perfect."

Thomas Paine.

k5
Master Member KnifeNut!

11-09-10 17:14.05 - Post#2237422    

I just wanted to add that in spite of the serious
nail nick overlap/interference on the jack knives,
The Schrade Walden 65th anniversary splitback whittler is pretty well made. It's made on the
old 804 pattern and it all lines up good.
I kept it and glad I did.
I like the jigging on it.

I sent back the serpentine jack.. I am afraid of
all the jacks in this series because of the
rounded cam-like kick,,, you can not file it down
if the nail nicks interfere.

k5
k5
Master Member KnifeNut!

11-21-10 17:01.08 - Post#2242044    

I am still enjoying the whittler.

Smoky Mountain Knife Works refunded the cost of the serpentine jack knife AND refunded to me the
cost of my return postage.

I know it's just a few bucks, but I feel like it worked our justly,,,,

I am happy with SMKW refund policy.

k5
theblindog
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theblindog
12-09-10 14:42.19 - Post#2249999    

This is a White Tail Stockman, Made in USA
never heard the Brand before, bought it just because I like the scale color.I pay $20 for it. F&F on this knife is top notch! no blade play, no gaps, no under blade, wicked sharp out of the box!
i can't believe it my self when I opened the package. lets the pic do the talking.
k5
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12-09-10 16:51.50 - Post#2250061    

I like the scales too. Nice color and jigging.

I think WhiteTail Cutlery is part of Frost Cutlery.

k5
k5
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12-10-10 11:45.41 - Post#2250408    

I also have learned that many of the Frost
Whitetail Cutlery knifes are manufactured in
Pakistan.

Does your knife have pakistan etched on any of the blades

Just trying to learn,

k5
2xTap
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2xTap
12-10-10 12:00.41 - Post#2250415    

Currently Whitetail Cutlery appears to be a Frost Cutlery brand and either made in Pakistan or China now. The brand was originally owned by James H. Glover and he had knives under this brand made in Pakistan.

But either way it is still a good looking piece. The build looks to be real good from the pics.

2xTap
"Knives and Flashlights are like Guns....you can never have too many!"

k5
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12-10-10 12:10.14 - Post#2250418    

I agree, the pics look good.

I DO like that dark red/crimson bone color.

k5
Dave1960
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12-27-10 10:20.03 - Post#2259738    

I have one China Schrade.

It is a 50th Aniv Old Timer Trapper with engraved bolsters, file worked springs and blade spines and some of the fakest looking scales I ever saw.

The scales don't fit flush with all the bolsters.

The spring for the Spey blade snaps very well, while the clip not so much.

The blades are centered and can be brought to a pretty good state of sharpness.

THAT said I have a Rough Rider Smooth White Bone Barlow here. It has ringed bolsters, excellent fit and finish, excellent snap and PERFECTLY centered blades. It did not really need any touch up as far as sharpness goes either.

My other cheap knives are Buck China and WERE Winchester China but the Winnies are GONE! The would not get sharp.

The China Buck is right up there with RR for quality.
k5
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12-27-10 11:17.22 - Post#2259782    

Thanks for your input, Dave.
Sounds like it's Rough Rider for you too.

The current Colt slipjoints are made by the
same people who make RR.
The Colt in Brown Jigged Bone is nice.

k5
Dave1960
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12-27-10 14:09.07 - Post#2259883    

You are most welcome!

I got to cherry pick on a few of my RR, and rejected a Barlow for having a loose bolster.

All that said, those San Mai Large Folders look like cool beans....
2xTap
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2xTap
12-28-10 10:30.57 - Post#2260385    

  • Dave1960 Said:


All that said, those San Mai Large Folders look like cool beans....



They are! I highly recommend getting one if you get the chance.

2xTap
"Knives and Flashlights are like Guns....you can never have too many!"

Dave1960
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12-28-10 16:58.01 - Post#2260560    

If that 4" model had a lanyard hole it'd be even closer to perfect!
k5
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12-31-10 14:12.38 - Post#2262386    

Has anyone purchased a late factory run of the
Colt Brown Stag-bone.

I got some a year ago,,,, I noticed that the
pics look different in smkw cat.

I noticed that they changed to a smaller Nickel Silver shield,,, which would be great.

I am just trying to get read on the quality
of the more recent runs of this group of knives.

thanks,

k5
2xTap
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2xTap
01-01-11 04:32.32 - Post#2262719    

k5,

I haven't got any newer ones either. Although I just ordered from Smoky this week and was looking at the Colts but didn't notice a different shield on the Brown Stag Bones.

Might have to go back and look again.

2xTap
"Knives and Flashlights are like Guns....you can never have too many!"

k5
Master Member KnifeNut!

01-01-11 15:59.17 - Post#2263136    

It's only the online cat. pics that show and speak of these NS shields.
They are supposed to say 175th anniversary on them.

You can see it on the railsplitter and the large
splitback whittler,,, and a few others.

k5
2xTap
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2xTap
01-02-11 10:15.53 - Post#2263633    

k5,

Ok, I see the shield you are speaking off. Yeah, it only shows on a few of their patterns.

Quality should be the same though.

2xTap
"Knives and Flashlights are like Guns....you can never have too many!"

k5
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01-08-11 17:48.28 - Post#2268030    

OK,,, I ordered and received 2 more of the Colt
Brown Stag Bone knives:

another Swayback whittler ( a large beast )
and a Teardrop jack ( also large )

I would say that the quality is about the same !

The blades are nice and tight.

Polish, FF is ok.
( maybe not quite as impressive as the first ones )

The blades are ground sharp as per usual.

The main blade on the teardrop jack is somewhat of
a nail breaker,,, not because of a too-strong spring,,, but because of poor access to the nail nick,,,, you can find this on fat stag more costly knives. I will probably grind me a little
finger notch in the scale to get better access.

I am drawn to these knives because of their low cost and decent quality and sharp edges,,
but
I think I now have enough of them.

k5

ps,,, I do think the smaller, silver shields look
better that the darker ones on the first batch.
2xTap
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2xTap
01-09-11 03:49.17 - Post#2268177    

k5,

Good to hear the quality of them has remained fairly constant. But like with any knives mass produced from that region it is enivetable that some will come, as have with the Rough Rider brand, a bit less perfect.

I myself have meaning to get more of them as I only have the two Gunstocks from this series. I've been wanting that 4-blade Railsplitter and that large Muskrat......I always seem to get something else though.

You got any pics taken of them yet. The pics on SMKW's only show so much. We need eye-candy!

2xTap
"Knives and Flashlights are like Guns....you can never have too many!"

k5
Master Member KnifeNut!

01-12-11 11:17.04 - Post#2270559    

I gave some strong thought to taking pics of my
2 new Colt slippies.

But,,,, it was just tooooo cold.
We southerners ain't used to this
cold

k5

ps,,,, I did grind me a little notch in the
scale so I could get better access to the
nail nick,,,, did a pretty good job for
a man that doesn't know a Dremmel tool from
a sledge hammer.
This was on the Teardrop jack.
jdracing
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jdracing
01-17-11 15:21.06 - Post#2273813    

2x,do you have this set complete?
just wondered if you have the single blade copperhead in pearl?
it is sweet.
i need some rr knives myself.
i think they are great for the price,
jd

  • 2xTap Said:
Ok, got a chance to take some pics of one of my new Rough Riders just before the storm clouds rolled in. This one is of a series from RR that I started to collect when they first were introduced.....Mother of pearl with Abalone shields.

This particular one is a Medium Congress at 3 3/4" closed, and a bit fancier than their other Congress patterns in that it has both grooved and angled bolsters. Otherwise it is typical RR in construction with 440A stainless blades with matchstriker pulls, nickle/silver bolsters, and brass liners. Everything is mirror polished, backsprings are better than average stoutness but not nailbreakers, blades have clean grinds and very sharp edges, it's well put together.

Fit and finish is real good but with a few small hiccups. There is some slight blade rub between some of the blades leaving light marks on two of them, and on the shield side backspring there are two small real faint gaps between it and the shield side liner.....real hard to see unless looking up close.



Outside of that it is as solid as they come. Scales are genuine Mother of Pearl that is polished smooth and bright. The shield is genuine Abalone inlayed seamlessly with the scales. Rubbing your finger over this scale you can not feel the transition between the two. Real nice!

I have a large collection of these particular MoP/Abalone Rough Riders, I am working on getting all the patterns in this run. You can't beat these for the price, this particular Congress was only $11.00!!!

I have a few more new RR's and another Marble's I will get to posting about (real nice ones too!) as soon as the weather clears and I can get some more pictures taken.

2xTap



k5
Master Member KnifeNut!

01-21-11 15:57.49 - Post#2276798    

I got a quick outside pic of my 2 new Colts.
Sorry,, not as good as my Summer pics,, too cold.

Look closely and you can see the large frame
whittler and the teardrop jack.

k5

2 separate photos but very similar.
2xTap
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2xTap
01-22-11 12:15.36 - Post#2277362    

jdracing,

In the MoP/Abalone series I don't have all of them yet, but I do have most them. I am still missing a few to make out the entire set. Of the Copperheads in this series I only have the fullsize and large framed two-blade variants.

k5,

Nice, they are good looking knives. The handle material really pops in the sunlight.

2xTap
"Knives and Flashlights are like Guns....you can never have too many!"

k5
Master Member KnifeNut!

01-23-11 15:58.47 - Post#2278278    

Here is another try on those 2 Colts.

Swayback Whittler
Teardrop Jack

k5 ( with the new "silver" shields )
2xTap
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2xTap
03-12-11 17:05.53 - Post#2311346    

Just got this one a few days ago. Newest release from the new Kissing Crane line.

A Scout pattern done in the standard 4-blade configuration. Closed length is 3 3/4" with 420 stainless steel mainblade/awl/bottle opener-screwdriver/can opener. Bolsters and shield are nickle/silver, and the liners and pins are brass. Blades and backspring area are brush finished with a mirror polish everywhere else. Scales are Olive Green jigged bone.

Fit and finish is very good with even edge grinds that are sharp, zero blade play anywhere, backsprings have a good stoutness on all four, bail swings tight, the only fault I could find was in the backspring area where there are a few minor hairline gaps........



Overall not a bad piece at all. These are still made in China and are of the most recent releases since the brand is no longer associated with the Robert Klaas name. Not bad for a Scout costing a little over $20 but the Rough Rider version I believe is still a better buy in this pattern.

2xTap
"Knives and Flashlights are like Guns....you can never have too many!"

k5
Master Member KnifeNut!

03-12-11 18:46.30 - Post#2311382    

Thanks for the pictures of that scout !

It looks real nice,,, this gives me something to
think about,, may hve to get one.

I still like that blue Weidmansheil you posted
some time back,,, seems like that one was in the
40 dollar range ?

My 2 new colts are still holding up fine.
I would like to see Colt change to red or
green,, blue,, I have enuf of the Brown JB.

k5
2xTap
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2xTap
03-13-11 04:09.42 - Post#2311548    

k5,

These KC's are nice but like I mentioned, the Rough Rider Scouts are a better buy. The RR's have a better F&F and are cheaper. But the RR's are also thicker and heavier.

That Blue Bone Weidmannsheil I got a while back, I can't recall how much I got it for but I did get it cheaper than their going price....but that was due to me snagging it on auction. The same dealer I got that from on Ebay has had several more since then.

A few weeks back Steve Koontz over at SMKW's said, while talking about the Brown Stag Bone Colt line, that they have some new Colt slipjoint stuff in the works. He didn't say when they were coming out but said they will be showing the stuff this year.

2xTap
"Knives and Flashlights are like Guns....you can never have too many!"

HBlaine
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HBlaine
03-13-11 05:15.28 - Post#2311579    

That KS Scout is very nice, 'Tap. It does remind me of the RR Scouts I picked up a while back. Very solid knives.

I've not had overly much experience with KS, beyond a set of their yellow-handle models, including a Congress patter which I liked very much. Beyond that, the only other KS I've dealt with is one of the medium, Italian-made "stiletto" pattern knives. (Very well made, but arrived rather dull. Took a decent edge, though.)
k5
Master Member KnifeNut!

03-13-11 14:04.23 - Post#2311885    

Thanks for the tip.
I'll be watching for new slippies from Colt.
The ones I have are consistently good.
(not perfect, but good)

k5
PuukkoMan
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03-15-11 06:51.01 - Post#2312984    

  • jdracing Said:
2x,do you have this set complete?


He did, when he wore a younger man's clothes.




Ohhhhh, laaaaa dee daaaa da dee da-daaaaaa......

Tom Hudson
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Tom Hudson
03-17-11 09:56.30 - Post#2314274    

I'm a big fan of Rough Rider - Here is my all time favorite - tom

rob b
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03-17-11 11:49.20 - Post#2314328    

Looks nice tom, a lot of bang for the buck. Rob b
Tom Hudson
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Tom Hudson
03-18-11 03:00.18 - Post#2314655    

Thanks - I'm really impressed with these knives -

rob b
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03-19-11 04:32.46 - Post#2315200    

Picked up 2 knives today- rr441 medium stockman in stag,Both scales match! Great F&F,razor sharp,good snap on all 3 blades.Also picked up a marbles green stag bone jumbo trapper great F&F on this one also,good snap on both blades and razor sharp also, Got them both for $25.Rob B
2xTap
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2xTap
03-19-11 12:59.32 - Post#2315379    

rob b,

Sounds like you got some good ones there and at a good price.

2xTap
"Knives and Flashlights are like Guns....you can never have too many!"

davidketterer
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05-29-11 04:05.56 - Post#2343266    

Does Rough Rider do a carbon steel model????
2xTap
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2xTap
05-29-11 07:05.09 - Post#2343319    

  • davidketterer Said:
Does Rough Rider do a carbon steel model????



Not in their slipjoint line. They do a couple locking folders made of carbon steel San Mai Damascus, but that's about it.

Most of their offerings are in SS.

2xTap
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kaptkopter
07-11-11 13:37.50 - Post#2359435    

  • Tom Hudson Said:
I'm a big fan of Rough Rider - Here is my all time favorite - tom





Want! All I can say is awesome!
Steel Obsession
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Steel Obsession
02-24-12 12:07.40 - Post#2446085    

I love the rough riders as well. I own several. The only problem I have ever had with them is I got 5 of their little key chain knives with abalone scales as gifts, and one side of the abalone fell off of one out of the 5 knives within a few days of me giving them away. As far as thier regular slipjoint patterns, they have allways been great. All in all I think they are great.
2xTap
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2xTap
02-25-12 02:35.10 - Post#2446255    

Steel Obsession,

The Rough Riders, as a whole, are the best bang for the buck going in cheap import slippies. They ain't perfect but for what they are they are real nice for the money.

2xTap
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Steel Obsession
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Steel Obsession
02-25-12 03:33.12 - Post#2446267    

yeah Im carring one from them today a small red bone whittler along with my Kershaw leek with the alumanum smokey blue handle. I always have a slippy with me no matter what.
copperhead75
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copperhead75
04-08-12 12:07.18 - Post#2459500    

I like the hallmark brands, kissing crane( now just robert klaas), and this one is a chief brand, good fit/finish and nice sharp blades


Steel Obsession
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Steel Obsession
04-10-12 07:36.28 - Post#2460129    

I like that chief but I bet it costs a little more than a rough rider and the rr would be just as good.
Steel Obsession
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Steel Obsession
04-10-12 09:11.02 - Post#2460151    

Well I take that back chief copperheads retail for just a few dollars more. Not enough to make a difference.
SirIXL
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06-19-12 09:06.32 - Post#2478304    

No matter what, I have to agree with all above who have pointed out the quality of these Chinese made RR knives. I have had several and they are really nice. Not only are they nice looking, well put together and very inexpensive, but they are making the old-time patterns which most of the domestic companies (Buck, Case, Schrade, etc.) have long ago abandoned like the sunfish, for instance.

I would like Rough Rider to make a line of Scagel folder replicas...now that is something I think they could sell a boatload of!!!

Please Rough Rider, read this post and make some Scagel reps.

HBlaine
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HBlaine
07-05-12 05:23.21 - Post#2481597    

Funny. I was just digging through my stash of Rough Riders... Haven't carried one in ages. Reminded me, yet again, of what a great value those knives are. For a good, knockabout knife for the money, you can't beat them!

Though I could've sworn I'd picked up one of their electrician knives somewhere along the line!!
joepa150
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02-12-13 11:47.29 - Post#2531763    

Ok I am getting some RRs!

If I wanted a step up in quality, what would it be?
joepa150
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02-12-13 11:49.11 - Post#2531765    

Ok I am getting some RRs!

If I wanted a step up in quality, what would it be?
Steel Obsession
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Steel Obsession
02-16-13 13:18.19 - Post#2532664    

  • joepa150 Said:
Ok I am getting some RRs!

If I wanted a step up in quality, what would it be?




USA buck, Case

A step up from that would be canal street, queen

Then my favorite GEC.

Also check out German made slippys like bulldog brand, and fightin rooster.
joepa150
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02-21-13 01:03.11 - Post#2533707    

  • Steel Obsession Said:
  • joepa150 Said:
Ok I am getting some RRs!

If I wanted a step up in quality, what would it be?




USA buck, Case

A step up from that would be canal street, queen

Then my favorite GEC.

Also check out German made slippys like bulldog brand, and fightin rooster.



Thanks for the info.

I ended up buying two Rough Riders. For the money, they seem really nice. I am still debating whether to buy a GEC, Queen, Northwoods, or Canal STreet. I can buy several more Rough Riders for 1/4 of the price of one of these knives. I wouldn't think that these high end knives are 4 times the quality of Rough Riders but I could be wrong.

From my limited experience I have handle Rough Riders, Case, Buck ($20 walmart ones), and Bear and Son.
I would say in terms of quality it looks like Rough Rider is very close to Bear & Sons and Buck. Case is noticeably better than those 3.



k5
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02-28-13 18:17.56 - Post#2535480    

Did you get these off ebay ?

If you bought 2 Rough Riders from SMKW at a total of say $20,, the shipping will cost you $9.

I would like to buy a couple of RR a month, but I can't see $9 dollars a pop just for 18 to 20 worth of knives.

k5


brianWE
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brianWE
02-28-13 18:37.07 - Post#2535482    

You have an interesting set of values.

I mean.."knives are great..I just hate to spend more on shipping than I paid for them".

Interesting.
Brian W Edginton
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I didn't write it...you did.




Berkley
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Berkley
03-23-13 12:51.41 - Post#2539916    

  • 2xTap Said:
the subject of this thread......asian imports. At one time they were to be avoided, Chinese manufacturing was atrocious, and in some ways it still is. But there has been a influx of Chinese made slipjoints in the past few years that have seen a higher level of QC than ever before.... Very inexpensive pocketknives that generally have a level of fit and finish beyond their small price tag. There have been some others recently that fall into this category as well. These knives are perfect for what they are......they are cheap users, and also a great inexpensive purchase for the beginner that allows one to get in hand a number of patterns to see what one likes before committing to a more expensive higher quality purchase of American or German manufacture....while such knives that are discussed here are decent buys for the buck, they are in no way collectable pieces that will gain value like a Case or Queen piece. I personally collect knives for fun, not for monetary gain. I would also like to say, particularly to those who are new to slipjoints, that if you are wanting the absolute best these knives are not it. They are the best for the money, but top notch quality usually brings a top notch price......take these knives for what they are, bang for the buck!



Recalling the original theme of this post from three years ago, I wanted to add a recent update that interested me - the first Chinese slipjoints to my knowledge that feature carbon steel blades
Not great carbon steel, but most of their stainless isn't rocket science grade either, and I prefer carbon steel in my slipjoints, regardless of price or national origin. I thought others might be interested in this first impression.
Roper Knives 0008CBB Chaparrel Series - Mini Trapper Pocket Knife with Brown Jigged Bone Handles.
Price $18.40 delivered.



3 1/2" closed. Weight 79 grams/2.8 ounces.
Clip is about a 6, spey about 5, half stops. No blade play at all on clip, spey feels slightly less solid.

Both blades slightly underbladed, neither centered. Fit of scales to frame is good except for one gap on top, fit to bolsters is acceptable at this price point. Gap in spring/iiner on spey.

Sharp enough to smoothly cut typing paper as received; I'm not big on shaving my arms, but probably wouldn't do it anyway.
Overall impression pleasant enough for the price. Comfortable in hand and pocket. Have plenty of chores coming up working in the garden; will give it a workout and report back.
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